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Originally posted by kittykat Quote: Originally posted by Simon Dyson Quote: Originally posted by kittykat and also, if he was so against the make poverty history campaign and the middle-class aspect of glastonbury, why did he agree to play there? That what I was trying to say above. sorry si, was just agreeing

that's ok, I was just pointing that out incase my waffle didn't make any sense :)

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Originally posted by Simon Dyson Quote: Originally posted by kittykat and also, if he was so against the make poverty history campaign and the middle-class aspect of glastonbury, why did he agree to play there? That what I was trying to say above.

sorry si, was just agreeing

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Originally posted by kittykat and also, if he was so against the make poverty history campaign and the middle-class aspect of glastonbury, why did he agree to play there?

That what I was trying to say above.

and also, if he was so against the make poverty history campaign and the middle-class aspect of glastonbury, why did he agree to play there?

it was just a shame he apologised for it, desperately trying to be a badass but not quite.

>john peel.... probably would have liked someone with the balls to slag him off.

He said exactly that on more than one occasion. One of Peel's comments, in regard to bands shaking his hand all the time at Glastonbury, was that he couldn't understand why they should want to meet an old fart like him, and it made a refreshing change when he saw an act slag him off.

Yet another 2 reasons to love conor oberst
"John Peel was a cokehead. I suppose that's why I like him; we have a lot in common,"

"what am I doing? Making poverty history, that's what kids... This next song is definitely going to make poverty history. Poverty �?? you're fucked!"

:lol:

Shame he had to be a spinless scrotum and apologise for the john peel one, because quite clearly those two comments are spot on and hilarious, John peel would have loved him.

I don't understand how anyone could habve found that offensive unless they simply spent their entire lives listening to coldplay and got surprised when someone showed a bit of human spirit for once.

[Edited on 30-6-2005 by xjohnx]

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Originally posted by girl.afraid Quote: Originally posted by Lil_Gem To be honest, I think John Peel would've quite enjoyed listening to Conor's rant john peel was that he really gave a shit about music in all kinds of ways, and probably would have liked someone with the balls to slag him off.

im not even sure that bright eyes has balls, but mark e smith certainly does :)

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Originally posted by Lil_Gem To be honest, I think John Peel would've quite enjoyed listening to Conor's rant

me too.

people can't go about deifying john peel and making him flawless and forbidding anyone to be in any way critical. the whole point in john peel was that he really gave a shit about music in all kinds of ways, and probably would have liked someone with the balls to slag him off. john peel wasn't princess diana, that's why it's so sad that he's dead. if you can make sense of that.

and thank god there's someone taking the piss out of make poverty history, even if it is bloody bright eyes. while i have no doubt that geldof's heart is in some shape or form in the right place, i've realised that the thing that really annoys me is that with its wishy washy slightly left of centre approach, and with its huge media wave of middle class guilt, make poverty history have done blair and brown the biggest favour in the world. they've managed to completely draw the media eye away from gleneagles. and they've given blair and brown a 'cause' to be in support of that can be manipulated into meaning whatever they like, for example 'debt relief' in the form of private investment. edinburgh's not even that close to gleneagles. someone should have checked a map first.
and there's something not entirely right with it being sponsored by aol and coca cola, capiche?

To be honest, I think John Peel would've quite enjoyed listening to Conor's rant

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Originally posted by Simon Dyson or were there to watch Ryan Adams (as repeated requested for Summer of 69 suggests).

Utter genius

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That's not to say that I agree with what he said. His opinions on John Peel and Make Poverty History are just as valid as anyone elses but accepting a slot at a festival supporting MPH on a stage dedicated to John Peel is a bit out of line if you can't keep those opinions to yourself.

I the only comment I've heard is the one Jazzy's using as a signature, and I think it's spot on, to be honest. I think a healthy cynicism about the value of celebrity endorsement or protest is a very good thing - wearing badges is not enough. I'm sure John Peel, and his reputation, are big and secure enough to not be bothered about a bit of backchat.

i thought it was great. as much as i hear stories all the time about artists committing commercial suicide and fucking it all up on stage, dismissing the crowd and generally being self-destructive it's rare that i get to witness it.

i think we all knew that oberst was a little pretentious all along (to say the least) and outbursts, if anything made me like him a little more. at least his emo 'i love you very, very very very very much' attitude swings both ways.

it was also quite refreshing to hear someone say fuck john peel, fuck 'make poverty history', fuck glastonbury etc etc. As much as i don't agree with the sentiments at least i felt like i was getting a real performance rather than forced emotion, which is what i fear you occasionally get with bright eyes- and a lot of other bands (brian wilson anyone?)



er.. and before anyone gets annoyed by my last comment, obviously brian wilson is a genius- but i don't think we can really say his heart was in it can we?

Nome's right, whilst some people may have left as a result of what he was saying the majority probably left because they went along not knowing the music and were not that impressed or were there to watch Ryan Adams (as repeated requested for Summer of 69 suggests).

That's not to say that I agree with what he said. His opinions on John Peel and Make Poverty History are just as valid as anyone elses but accepting a slot at a festival supporting MPH on a stage dedicated to John Peel is a bit out of line if you can't keep those opinions to yourself.

I don't care - I still love Bright Eyes and I thought it was funny, and I think half the reason people were leaving the tent was because they thought they were going to watch Ryan Adams. I don't think he should have said what he did about John Peel and it certainly didn't endear the crowd to him but then half the crowd were a load of wankers anyway, and I'm inclinced to agree with his cynicism towards Make Poverty History.

[Edited on 1-7-2005 by nome]

cay, mark and me sauntered down from dance east to watch the end of bright eyes and it was probably the easiest gig to get to all weekend. it was a bit weird that people were making determined and full-hearted efforts to wade through a good foot of mud to get away from the peel tent, but hearing what he continued to whine and bitch about it was pretty clear why. he's not a genius he's a baby who needs to learn to keep his toys in the pram.

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Originally posted by Colin DIS Quote: Originally posted by jazzy http://www.nme.com/news/112852.htm i thought it was funny.... Loving this quote "...It's a shame because the guy is quite possibly a genius, but also, clearly, he is a complete cock.�?�

i bet Gareth said that!
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Originally posted by jazzy http://www.nme.com/news/112852.htm i thought it was funny....

Loving this quote

"...It's a shame because the guy is quite possibly a genius, but also, clearly, he is a complete cock.�?�

http://www.nme.com/news/112852.htm

i thought it was funny....