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a new season, new fantasy football league?
jazzy - 19-7-2005 at 11:14

http://fantasy.premierleague.com

who's up for it again?


nome - 19-7-2005 at 12:13

If I manage to work out how to do it then I'm up for giving it a go! I have nowt better to do. I would like to point out, I know nothing about football and don't really care about it so I expect to come last.

[Edited on 19-7-2005 by nome]


AntManBee - 19-7-2005 at 13:01

I'm up for another season of mid-table mediocrity!!


nome - 19-7-2005 at 13:33

I have a team - I have no idea who most of the players are but you never know I may win!


AntManBee - 19-7-2005 at 13:57

I'm not entering now, because if nome beats me, I really will cry.


Dr. Rob - 19-7-2005 at 22:16

I just put together a team - I'll join.


RadioEd - 21-7-2005 at 16:19

bloody excellent - i'll be in asap. wot's the league code?


jazzy - 21-7-2005 at 17:35

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

bloody excellent - i'll be in asap. wot's the league code?


haven't sorted it all out yet actually!


RadioEd - 21-7-2005 at 18:55

ok i did it. the league code is:

91048-16688

it's fairly easy to get in (same as last year for the seasoned pros) but post any queries here and they'll get sorted!


Matt Paradise - 21-7-2005 at 20:36

What the hell? I thought bloody football had just finished, now a new season is upon us?


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 21-7-2005 at 20:39

I'm gonna try and do it this year!


AntManBee - 21-7-2005 at 21:31

I'm in


MartinAbsentKid - 21-7-2005 at 23:02

K, I'm in too...


Eleanor Conroy - 22-7-2005 at 14:47

absolutely, i'll happily beat you all again... mwah ha ha!


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 22-7-2005 at 18:18

I've entered. sweet


MartinAbsentKid - 23-7-2005 at 11:43

Immediately regretting picking Joey Barton. Clown shoes.


AntManBee - 23-7-2005 at 13:49

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Originally posted by MartinAbsentKid

Immediately regretting picking Joey Barton. Clown shoes.




I've decided to take a chance on Aleksandr Hleb... a classy player


jazzy - 25-7-2005 at 08:59

i'm leaving mine until the day before season start, i can't trust a couple of my players not to go and get transferred!


RadioEd - 25-7-2005 at 11:28

transfers are free up to the first gameweek!


AntManBee - 25-7-2005 at 11:41

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

i'm leaving mine until the day before season start, i can't trust a couple of my players not to go and get transferred!


Me neither


i am sam - 25-7-2005 at 16:10

forsooth. i am in. with my mighty middlesborough-based strikeforce, and robbie savage just to annoy eleanor.


jazzy - 25-7-2005 at 16:11

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

and robbie savage just to annoy eleanor.



AntManBee - 26-7-2005 at 18:45

Fucking hell!!


Dr. Rob - 26-7-2005 at 23:38

!!

Also, !!!!!


jazzy - 27-7-2005 at 10:53

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Originally posted by AntManBee

Fucking hell!!


apparently spurs have 'jumped the gun'....


AntManBee - 27-7-2005 at 11:09

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Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

Fucking hell!!


apparently spurs have 'jumped the gun'....


It wouldn't surprise me... but I'm still hopeful

What's all this about Cahill demanding £2m a year?


jazzy - 27-7-2005 at 11:22

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Originally posted by AntManBee

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

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Originally posted by AntManBee

Fucking hell!!


apparently spurs have 'jumped the gun'....


It wouldn't surprise me... but I'm still hopeful

What's all this about Cahill demanding £2m a year?


we offered the greedy cunt a 50% pay increase on his deal (which still has three years left incidentally) as a thank you for last season and he turned round and said he won't be signing another contract with us. it's probably just a bargaining tool and to be honest we've got at least 2 more seasons of him even if he doesn't sign a new deal. so i'm not too worried at the moment....


jazzy - 27-7-2005 at 13:34

one team entered. not very good mind!


AntManBee - 27-7-2005 at 13:40

The bluffing begins!!


jazzy - 27-7-2005 at 13:42

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

The bluffing begins!!


no, really. it isn't very good. henry, terry, robben and wright-phillips (who got all my points last year) are all too expensive now!


i am sam - 27-7-2005 at 13:47

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Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

The bluffing begins!!


no, really. it isn't very good. henry, terry, robben and wright-phillips (who got all my points last year) are all too expensive now!


i take it you've stuck with lampard though...


jazzy - 27-7-2005 at 13:48

some sacrifices are too big to make!


RadioEd - 27-7-2005 at 23:54

its all about the henry / lampard / gerrard / terry backbone! shefki kuqi is also criminally cheap...


i am sam - 28-7-2005 at 08:38

i feel my team may be the bolton wanderers of this league. we'll grind out some points but won't ever be spectacular.


jesus - 28-7-2005 at 10:13

I feel that my team will be the Chelsea of the league, mainly due to my policy of selecting Chelsea players.


jazzy - 28-7-2005 at 11:19

i've found room for henry. oh yes. i'll be the man utd of the league - once great but trading on former glories...


jazzy - 28-7-2005 at 11:22

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Originally posted by jazzy

i've found room for henry. oh yes.


that does bring problems though. i'm relying on a portsmouth defender to bring me points...


AntManBee - 28-7-2005 at 11:28

I'll no doubt be the Tottenham of this league... promise much, deliver little.


Eleanor Conroy - 28-7-2005 at 14:46

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

forsooth. i am in. with my mighty middlesborough-based strikeforce, and robbie savage just to annoy eleanor.

that's fine - i'm happy for you to annoy me again, i'll just beat you again! it just goes to show that it pays to have standards - no man u, no arsenal and no robbie savage


i am sam - 28-7-2005 at 15:40

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Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

forsooth. i am in. with my mighty middlesborough-based strikeforce, and robbie savage just to annoy eleanor.

that's fine - i'm happy for you to annoy me again, i'll just beat you again! it just goes to show that it pays to have standards - no man u, no arsenal and no robbie savage


It wasn't really to annoy you, Robbie Savage is something of a fantasy football stalwart that i have to put in. Much like Bruno N'Gotty.


Eleanor Conroy - 1-8-2005 at 12:42

done! some of my players seem to have gone up in price which is a bit annoying, but still an acceptable team to start with, i reckon.


Ed_Furry - 1-8-2005 at 12:56

I'm in.....prepare to be dazzled.....


dexterpanik - 1-8-2005 at 15:18

i'm in - i think my team will be the equivalent of the team i support in real life, but then my expectations never were that high.


Colin DIS - 1-8-2005 at 16:10

I am the West Brom. Bottom forever then a saving run for grace at the end!


dunnerz - 3-8-2005 at 21:30

i will get around to joining this one soon - honest

for anyone who wants to join a sun mini league too - www.dreamteamfc.com

Mini Leauge: NO nonsense
password: whatever


dunnerz - 6-8-2005 at 18:15

ok!!

joined this league at last!

i'm not making any comments about beating you all, because they would only come back to haunt me!!! lol


i am sam - 12-8-2005 at 15:57

right. i've made some minor adjustments (goodbye davids you crock) and my team is all go for tomorrow. i'm looking forward to this.


jesus - 13-8-2005 at 13:12

Finally I can see who everyone else picked. Mostly I'm impressed, for some reason I assumed most of the teams would be a pile of crap. But they're not. The most puzzling decision I think is Colin W's decision to make Cahill captain, especially in a week when Everton are playing Man Utd...do you know something I don't?


dunnerz - 13-8-2005 at 14:34

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Originally posted by jesus

Mostly I'm impressed, for some reason I assumed most of the teams would be a pile of crap.


so because u like music and on the indiesoc forum, you obviously have no idea about football!


jesus - 13-8-2005 at 16:18

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

so because u like music and on the indiesoc forum, you obviously have no idea about football!


well...i'm tempted to say yes, but really it's just because the league i was in last year sucked. everyone had picked the worst players, like, ever. i think the standard in this league is higher.


dunnerz - 13-8-2005 at 17:15

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Originally posted by jesus

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

so because u like music and on the indiesoc forum, you obviously have no idea about football!


well...i'm tempted to say yes, but really it's just because the league i was in last year sucked. everyone had picked the worst players, like, ever. i think the standard in this league is higher.


can see where you are coming from - but i've been in leagues with absoulte football fanatics- and they've had shit teams! - it just depends on weather u manage to find the hidden stars!


TC - 14-8-2005 at 22:49

bring it on!!!! i'm 2nd at the moment, and dynamo tc is gonna be a team to watch.........


jazzy - 14-8-2005 at 22:56

fuck, i've gone from top practically all last season (but getting pipped to second, damn el!) to bottom of the table. my team is shite compared to everyone else's too, drastic changes are necessary methinks!


dunnerz - 15-8-2005 at 07:40

the site is down - i can't log on!

whereabouts was i???


AntManBee - 15-8-2005 at 08:29

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

fuck, i've gone from top practically all last season (but getting pipped to second, damn el!) to bottom of the table. my team is shite compared to everyone else's too, drastic changes are necessary methinks!


I want to make changes too... I have a six week plan to get more points without spending on transfers.

And remember Jazzy, performance on the first day is never a good barometer for the rest of the season


Colin DIS - 15-8-2005 at 09:50

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

And remember Jazzy, performance on the first day is never a good barometer for the rest of the season


See: West Ham


AntManBee - 15-8-2005 at 10:37

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

And remember Jazzy, performance on the first day is never a good barometer for the rest of the season


See: West Ham


See also: Tottenham

Interesting counter-evidence: Portsmouth, Everton, hopefully Blackburn. Thugs.


jazzy - 15-8-2005 at 17:51

y'see everyone is saying that everton have lost two games on the trot, it's all going wrong. those two games were against man utd and villareal. and we were a match for both sides. i think a top 8 finish is on the cardas for us this year....


RadioEd - 15-8-2005 at 18:32

i also think we will be pushing for a top half finish this year, and saturdays performance was no barometer for how our season will pan out (other than the first red of our year)!


AntManBee - 15-8-2005 at 20:24

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

saturdays performance was no barometer for how our season will pan out (other than the first red of our year)!



jazzy - 15-8-2005 at 21:23

i think blackburn will struggle this year dude, there#s no creativity in the team and i can't see where you goals are going to come from.....


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 15-8-2005 at 22:47

i've never been relegated as a fan and i really don't want to start doing it now......


i am sam - 16-8-2005 at 08:20

1 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 54 54
2 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 53 53
3 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 50 50
4 The Rats Ed Lugg 46 46
5 The Gash Peter Jones 45 45
5 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 45 45
7 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 43 43
8 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 42 42
8 party hard sam leppard 42 42
8 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 42 42
8 Ginger FC James Dunmore 42 42
12 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 41 41
12 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 41 41
14 Big Chin FC sam fuller 40 40
15 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 38 38
16 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 36 36


dunnerz - 17-8-2005 at 08:35

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

1 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 54 54
2 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 53 53
3 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 50 50
4 The Rats Ed Lugg 46 46
5 The Gash Peter Jones 45 45
5 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 45 45
7 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 43 43
8 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 42 42
8 party hard sam leppard 42 42
8 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 42 42
8 Ginger FC James Dunmore 42 42
12 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 41 41
12 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 41 41
14 Big Chin FC sam fuller 40 40
15 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 38 38
16 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 36 36



thanks!

i think it make take me a while to gets used to the stragey of this one - so it might no be until late in the season when i start beat ya all !! (if at all!!)


jazzy - 17-8-2005 at 20:40

how i miss thomas gravesen....bloody amazing he was tonight. almost as good as rio ferdinand, glen johnson and david james are bad. ferdinand out. carragher in. FACT.


cherry_blossom_pig - 17-8-2005 at 21:31

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam


16 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 36 36




cherry_blossom_pig - 17-8-2005 at 21:46

i put a team in. at least i think io have. i'm confused.

[Edited on 17-8-2005 by cherry_blossom_pig]


Funky Fairy - 17-8-2005 at 22:44

I made one too, i was feeling left out!


nome - 18-8-2005 at 06:32

I believe I am third - now I would be all smug but I know that this glory will not last and it will be a case of he who laughs last..


i_wear_the_trousers - 18-8-2005 at 07:12

ha ha. 4-1. Get in. back of the net. Etc.


Eleanor Conroy - 18-8-2005 at 09:09

christ, that was a pitiful performance. admittedly i only saw the 2nd half highlights because i watched lost, but i don't think i've ever seen england play that badly


AntManBee - 18-8-2005 at 16:27

With Spurs players for 45 minutes... 0-0
Without Spurs players for 45 minutes... 4-1

Says it all really. But when will Spurs make a bid for Owen?


Colin DIS - 18-8-2005 at 16:36

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Originally posted by AntManBee

But when will Spurs make a bid for Owen?


Never because he isn't a midfielder and his age does not end in the letters 'teen'

[Edited on 18-8-2005 by Colin DIS]


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 18-8-2005 at 17:26

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

With Spurs players for 45 minutes... 0-0
Without Spurs players for 45 minutes... 4-1

Says it all really. But when will Spurs make a bid for Owen?


Spurs are in my top ten all time favourite teams.


Funky Fairy - 20-8-2005 at 14:35

SCORE! van nistolroy scored and he's my captain! this game is really quite exciting!
47 points in my first day... wow!



[Edited on 20-8-2005 by Funky Fairy]


jazzy - 20-8-2005 at 18:22

shit, i'm going to be behind people who've only joined this week. arsebiscuits...


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 21-8-2005 at 09:24

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Originally posted by jazzy

shit, i'm going to be behind people who've only joined this week. arsebiscuits...


yes - that would be Danielle!


Funky Fairy - 21-8-2005 at 09:26

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Originally posted by Cleverest_of_monkeys

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

shit, i'm going to be behind people who've only joined this week. arsebiscuits...


yes - that would be Danielle!


jazzy - 21-8-2005 at 17:11

today went disasterously too. curses. still, the old marathon, not a sprint metaphor springs to mind


jesus - 22-8-2005 at 08:52

Hmm, the site is down so I can't see how I'm doing. Never mind. To be honest, I'm expecting pretty good stuff. Several of my players scored and I got a whole bunch of clean sheets and so on.


Colin DIS - 22-8-2005 at 09:24

1 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 54 115
2 The Gash Peter Jones 65 109
3 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 49 101
4 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 43 97
5 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 45 91
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 53 90
7 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 33 89
8 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 47 89
9 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 41 88
10 party hard sam leppard 46 88
11 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 41 87
12 Big Chin FC sam fuller 46 86
13 The Rats Ed Lugg 35 82
14 Ginger FC James Dunmore 33 75
15 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 32 73
16 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 36 68
17 Team Fairy danielle price 48 48
18 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 47 47
19 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 34 34
20 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 39 15


Eleanor Conroy - 22-8-2005 at 10:18

that'll do nicely

and at least you're beating the new people now gareth - just keep convincing new people to join and you'll move up the table in relative terms


dunnerz - 22-8-2005 at 11:18

although i'm 14th, my points are too far behind!!

(still getting used to the style of this one !)


TC - 24-8-2005 at 07:49

Dynamo are rising back up the league once more, I think a 2nd or 3rd Champions League spot is a serious possibility for us this season!


Eleanor Conroy - 24-8-2005 at 15:44

goddamnit! i didn't know there were midweek games - was thinking of getting rid of solano before the weekend and now he's got a red card! does anyone know what happens to your points if the player has their red card rescinded by the fa at a later date? o'leary's appealing it.


Colin DIS - 24-8-2005 at 15:49

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

goddamnit! i didn't know there were midweek games - was thinking of getting rid of solano before the weekend and now he's got a red card! does anyone know what happens to your points if the player has their red card rescinded by the fa at a later date? o'leary's appealing it.


I don't think it says. Surely points must be reinstated? Good point well made. And nice to see Man City and Spurs doing well. Pity about Yeovil yesterday. Lost a few quid on that game. Bugger!


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 24-8-2005 at 16:04

This league is making me very sad - i keep getting excited when other teams score and berate my brother to find out who made the goal.


dexterpanik - 24-8-2005 at 16:09

i've never done a transfer. is it easy?

although actually i'm quite happy with my 8th position at the moment so i might just leave it the same and hope for mid table mediocrity come the end of the season. it will be a solid foundation to build from next term, where Big Chin FC will hopefully be pushing for a european place.


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 24-8-2005 at 16:25

Quote:
Originally posted by dexterpanik

i've never done a transfer. is it easy?

although actually i'm quite happy with my 8th position at the moment so i might just leave it the same and hope for mid table mediocrity come the end of the season. it will be a solid foundation to build from next term, where Big Chin FC will hopefully be pushing for a european place.


yep - the first one each week costs nothing but everyone after that costs four points.


Eleanor Conroy - 24-8-2005 at 16:52

Quote:
Originally posted by Cleverest_of_monkeys

yep - the first one each week costs nothing but everyone after that costs four points.

and unless you have some kind of mass injury crisis, it's probably not worth making more than one a week


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 24-8-2005 at 18:20

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by Cleverest_of_monkeys

yep - the first one each week costs nothing but everyone after that costs four points.

and unless you have some kind of mass injury crisis, it's probably not worth making more than one a week


I totally agree although these mid week games see no Liv, Man U, Everton etc so its kinda worth having a gamble on paying for a new player who will almost definately score points rather than keep a player who will get non.


RadioEd - 24-8-2005 at 22:43

had an excellent week i think, should take me to the higher echelons of our fair league. lampard captain produced a nice fat 26


TC - 24-8-2005 at 23:09

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

had an excellent week i think, should take me to the higher echelons of our fair league. lampard captain produced a nice fat 26


sorry dude, but you're too far behind for the mighty Dynamo to care about. even with your mighty 26 for lampard, you can only dream of reaching my position


Eleanor Conroy - 25-8-2005 at 11:58

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

had an excellent week i think, should take me to the higher echelons of our fair league. lampard captain produced a nice fat 26

yeah - the dizzy heights of 10th!

was groaning at henry's goals last night cos i thought everyone else would have him, but somehow i'm 2nd - score!

1 The Gash Peter Jones 52 167
2 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 51 157
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 58 149
4 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 27 145
5 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 44 140
6 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 47 137
7 The Rats Ed Lugg 50 130
8 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 27 128
9 Big Chin FC sam fuller 34 127
10 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 63 127
11 party hard sam leppard 34 125
12 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 30 122
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 23 113
14 Ginger FC James Dunmore 29 108
15 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 16 105
16 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 28 104
17 Team Fairy danielle price 25 80
18 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 25 79
19 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 23 57
20 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 8 23


dexterpanik - 25-8-2005 at 12:13

i've got henry AND lampard and lua lua who also scored and i've managed to go down a place. bugger.


nome - 25-8-2005 at 12:51

Bugger I seem to be losing ground - maybe if I actually paid some attention to what was going on with the football it would help!


jesus - 25-8-2005 at 13:01

Back of the net.

On the subject of transfers, they are indeed worth making if you have a player whose team isn't going to be involved. A cautionary tale though - this week I got rid of Alonso (as Liverpool didn't play in midweek and won't play at the weekend either), I spent four points transferring him and who did I pick? Nobby 'fucking' Solano.


RadioEd - 25-8-2005 at 14:28

i forgot to transfer out my liverpool players. wouldn't have picked solano though....


jesus - 25-8-2005 at 14:52

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

i forgot to transfer out my liverpool players. wouldn't have picked solano though....


Villa had relatively easy games on tuesday and saturday y'see. if he hadn't have got sent off, it would have been wizard. the prick.

still, i won't moan too much...seems a little grumpy being as how i'm TOP OF THE LEAGUE. eat my goal.


jazzy - 25-8-2005 at 17:14

third bottom to 10th. excellent work from messers diouf, henry, lampard, jaaskelinan and terry. i salute you.


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 26-8-2005 at 08:16

Sweeeet - 3rd! Dropping Rooney for DroooooGbbba was a tactial stroke of genius!


jazzy - 26-8-2005 at 18:14

1 The Gash Peter Jones 58 173
2 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 57 163
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 66 157
4 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 50 146
5 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 27 145
6 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 53 143
7 The Rats Ed Lugg 58 138
8 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 74 138
9 Big Chin FC sam fuller 43 136
10 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 31 132
11 party hard sam leppard 40 131
12 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 35 127
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 29 119
14 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 34 110
15 Ginger FC James Dunmore 30 109
16 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 19 108
17 Team Fairy danielle price 27 82
18 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 25 79
19 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 26 60
20 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 8 23


jesus - 29-8-2005 at 08:58

Well, I've had my moment in the sun.


nome - 29-8-2005 at 09:18

I think I need to make some changes to my team, it was all going so well!


Eleanor Conroy - 29-8-2005 at 12:01

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 49 212
2 The Gash Peter Jones 42 211
3 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 44 187
4 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 41 186
5 party hard sam leppard 55 186
6 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 51 185
7 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 26 183
8 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 36 178
9 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 40 163
10 Big Chin FC sam fuller 25 161
11 The Rats Ed Lugg 37 159
12 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 23 155
13 Ginger FC James Dunmore 33 142
14 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 20 139
15 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 30 138
16 Team Fairy danielle price 48 130
17 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 48 127
18 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 11 121
19 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 49 105
20 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 31 54

brilliant! 3 of my players got no points and i thought lots of people would have rooney and van horseface so i didn't exactly think it would be a great week for me


nome - 29-8-2005 at 12:55

Bugger for the first time Gavin has over taken me...but I will be back!


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 29-8-2005 at 23:00

I had a shitzer week.....lucky I'm so good at pro evo it kinda makes up for it!


jazzy - 1-9-2005 at 16:59

and now up to 6th. my march continues


Abe - 6-9-2005 at 19:50

I'm a noob, but I've had a fantasy football team for a while; mind if I join?


Funky Fairy - 6-9-2005 at 19:58

Quote:
Originally posted by Abe

I'm a noob, but I've had a fantasy football team for a while; mind if I join?

do it!


Abe - 6-9-2005 at 20:00

Have done, I may be a few weeks behind and with an "interesting" selection, but I'll win it yet

EDIT- Hardly

[Edited on 6-9-2005 by Abe]


Eleanor Conroy - 10-9-2005 at 10:06

argh - just spend ages deciding who to transfer. think this could be a bad week for me (give the rest of you a chance ). got back to find 3 injuries - decided to make 2 transfers and lose the 4 points. can't decide whether i should've transferred terry out too - i've got repka as my cheap sub defender which could be potentially awful! anyone know when terry's back?


Eleanor Conroy - 11-9-2005 at 16:38

excellent stuff, terry's back!


dunnerz - 11-9-2005 at 17:25

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

excellent stuff, terry's back!



yes - was quite a surprised - they said about 5 weeks when he first went.

lucky for him - glad he didnt get caught up in that awful england defeat
(he is the only chelsea player i like!)


Henry is out until next weekend. bugger


Eleanor Conroy - 13-9-2005 at 11:06

so much for a bad week then...

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 54 263
2 The Gash Peter Jones 40 251
3 party hard sam leppard 42 231
4 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 36 228
5 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 40 226
6 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 41 224
7 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 38 217
8 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 42 217
9 The Rats Ed Lugg 43 204
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 54 197
11 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 49 194
12 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 32 187
12 Big Chin FC sam fuller 26 187
14 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 44 181
15 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 39 180
16 Team Fairy danielle price 43 177
17 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 25 163
18 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 36 153
19 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 23 132
20 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 39 96
21 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 27 59


jesus - 13-9-2005 at 11:13

To be honest, I'm amazed I'm still second. I totally forgot about it at the weekend and failed to check who was playing/injured etc, so I'm pretty happy with that.


dunnerz - 13-9-2005 at 11:26

i'm sneeking on up


jazzy - 19-9-2005 at 12:57

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 36 305
2 The Gash Peter Jones 25 279
3 party hard sam leppard 32 271
4 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 35 260
5 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 29 259
6 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 24 258
7 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 29 254
8 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 28 252
9 Ginger FC James Dunmore 39 236
10 The Rats Ed Lugg 26 236
11 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 36 223
12 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 37 220
13 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 23 219
14 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 27 213
15 Big Chin FC sam fuller 22 209
16 Team Fairy danielle price 25 207
17 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 24 190
18 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 13 166
19 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 28 160
20 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 45 145
21 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 24 70

a dull weekend of premiership action sees nobody score any points....


dunnerz - 19-9-2005 at 14:39

I'll be on top in 8 weeks at this rate! (as if)


jazzy - 26-9-2005 at 15:20

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 58 363
2 The Gash Peter Jones 61 344
3 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 64 326
4 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 61 322
5 party hard sam leppard 42 315
6 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 38 295
7 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 29 291
8 The Rats Ed Lugg 60 291
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 19 288
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 40 287
11 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 57 279
12 Team Fairy danielle price 47 260
13 Big Chin FC sam fuller 38 258
14 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 16 257
15 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 48 257
16 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 29 255
17 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 32 248
18 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 29 197
19 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 13 187
20 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 22 172
21 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 46 126

the first three weeks of the season would appear to have been a mere blip. i'm coming for you conroy....


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 26-9-2005 at 15:39

I'll be happy with a champions league finish.


dunnerz - 26-9-2005 at 15:54

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 58 363
2 The Gash Peter Jones 61 344
3 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 64 326
4 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 61 322
5 party hard sam leppard 42 315
6 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 38 295
7 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 29 291
8 The Rats Ed Lugg 60 291
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 19 288
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 40 287
11 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 57 279
12 Team Fairy danielle price 47 260
13 Big Chin FC sam fuller 38 258
14 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 16 257
15 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 48 257
16 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 29 255
17 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 32 248
18 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 29 197
19 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 13 187
20 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 22 172
21 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 46 126

the first three weeks of the season would appear to have been a mere blip. i'm coming for you conroy....



9 points shy of 6th place

still - getting here slowly!


dexterpanik - 26-9-2005 at 16:12

Quote:
Originally posted by Cleverest_of_monkeys

I'll be happy with a champions league finish.

i'll be happy with a finish.

jazzy, why is your avatar backwards?


jazzy - 26-9-2005 at 16:42

Quote:
Originally posted by dexterpanik

Quote:
Originally posted by Cleverest_of_monkeys

I'll be happy with a champions league finish.

i'll be happy with a finish.

jazzy, why is your avatar backwards?


i've no idea but well done for being the first person (including me) to spot it. changes shall be made...


RadioEd - 26-9-2005 at 17:03

60pts last weekend puts me in uefa cup contention. another big haul this week should say see me sneaking further towards the top.


Eleanor Conroy - 27-9-2005 at 16:34

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 79 384
2 The Gash Peter Jones 79 362
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 87 348
4 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 76 338
5 party hard sam leppard 49 322
6 The Rats Ed Lugg 77 308
7 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 85 307
8 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 45 302
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 28 297
10 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 33 295
11 Ginger FC James Dunmore 45 292
12 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 43 284
13 Team Fairy danielle price 63 276
14 Big Chin FC sam fuller 50 270
15 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 56 265
16 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 43 259
17 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 29 255
18 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 41 215
19 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 39 207
20 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 29 179
21 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 63 143


Eleanor Conroy - 27-9-2005 at 16:37

i think simon has been relegated to third place in my favourite men stakes - 30 points for frank lampard this week!


Eleanor Conroy - 27-9-2005 at 16:41

irritatingly i've just noticed that my reserve defender (repka) scored more than any of my other defenders though and it looks like i made the wrong choice between queudrue and ledley king - doh!


Funky Fairy - 27-9-2005 at 16:43

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

i think simon has been relegated to third place in my favourite men stakes - 30 points for frank lampard this week!

seth cohen number 1?!


AntManBee - 27-9-2005 at 16:44

If only I hadn't had Dawson and Del Horno injured... I might just've made it to three figures this week. Poop.


jazzy - 27-9-2005 at 16:53

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

i think simon has been relegated to third place in my favourite men stakes - 30 points for frank lampard this week!


irritatingly, i made terry captain this week as lampard hadn't been in good form. i thought, nice guaranteed 12 points there. then villa go and score and lampard goes gets himself loads of points. the bastard.


Eleanor Conroy - 27-9-2005 at 17:28

Quote:
Originally posted by Funky Fairy

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

i think simon has been relegated to third place in my favourite men stakes - 30 points for frank lampard this week!

seth cohen number 1?!

but of course!


i am sam - 27-9-2005 at 17:29

i think we can say that was a disasterous week for me.


Funky Fairy - 27-9-2005 at 17:30

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by Funky Fairy

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

i think simon has been relegated to third place in my favourite men stakes - 30 points for frank lampard this week!

seth cohen number 1?!

but of course!

good choice! he's beautiful!


jesus - 27-9-2005 at 17:42

The thing I don't get with this league is that the points change. I've got Lampard, and I could swear blind that when I looked this morning it was 24 points. And I could also swear that I'd caught up with Eleanor a bit, although it was only two points or something. How strange. I guess they can re-assess stuff and correct it, but I'm not sure where Lampard's extra points could come from since they'd already credited him with both goals. Did he have a yellow card rescinded or something?

That said, I'll stop my whining since I'm still doing quite well. I did have a very good week, it's just disappointing that everyone else did as well! Except Sam.


Eleanor Conroy - 27-9-2005 at 22:17

i think the points change after the weekend because of bonuses - they get a three point bonus if they are deemed to have played very well (obviously doubled in the case of your captain).


jazzy - 3-10-2005 at 08:24

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 56 440
2 The Gash Peter Jones 59 421
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 53 401
4 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 52 382
5 The Rats Ed Lugg 61 369
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 58 361
7 party hard sam leppard 37 359
8 Ginger FC James Dunmore 45 337
9 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 36 331
10 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 29 327
11 Team Fairy danielle price 50 326
12 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 33 322
13 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 33 317
14 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 47 312
15 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 42 297
16 Big Chin FC sam fuller 25 295
17 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 35 294
18 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 40 247
19 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 39 238
20 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 61 204
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 25 204


i am sam - 3-10-2005 at 09:41

i've totally lost the pace of late. time to replace jay jay okocha with a small korean methinks.


dunnerz - 3-10-2005 at 10:55

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 56 440
2 The Gash Peter Jones 59 421
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 53 401
4 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 52 382
5 The Rats Ed Lugg 61 369
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 58 361
7 party hard sam leppard 37 359
8 Ginger FC James Dunmore 45 337
9 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 36 331
10 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 29 327
11 Team Fairy danielle price 50 326
12 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 33 322
13 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 33 317
14 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 47 312
15 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 42 297
16 Big Chin FC sam fuller 25 295
17 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 35 294
18 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 40 247
19 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 39 238
20 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 61 204
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 25 204



looks like El is doing a bit of a chelsea - hopefully - with both El and chelsea - they will drop points soon!


jazzy - 3-10-2005 at 10:58

i'm doing a liverpool. should be good but at the end of the day, others are better...


AntManBee - 3-10-2005 at 13:46

I'm quite pleased with my steady progress up the table, much like Spurs. A mass of transfers, but the team is getting some good results.


dexterpanik - 3-10-2005 at 15:08

i think i'm going to come bottom. i still don't know how to do transfers.

i saw steve mcmanaman yesterday.


Eleanor Conroy - 3-10-2005 at 17:19

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

looks like El is doing a bit of a chelsea - hopefully - with both El and chelsea - they will drop points soon!

some chance of the former, no chance of the latter!


Eleanor Conroy - 4-10-2005 at 18:26

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 62 446
2 The Gash Peter Jones 67 429
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 55 403
4 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 59 389
5 The Rats Ed Lugg 68 376
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 61 364
7 party hard sam leppard 40 362
8 Ginger FC James Dunmore 48 340
9 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 39 334
10 Team Fairy danielle price 56 332
11 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 32 330
12 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 40 324
13 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 34 323
14 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 50 315
15 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 45 300
16 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 39 298
17 Big Chin FC sam fuller 27 297
18 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 47 254
19 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 42 241
20 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 66 209
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 30 209


Abe - 5-10-2005 at 00:18

I'm off the bottom! Kiss my face!


RadioEd - 5-10-2005 at 03:36

great week by me i see


i am sam - 5-10-2005 at 08:41

yeah.. having spent much of yesterday closely examining this league i reckon ed's got the best team on paper...


jazzy - 5-10-2005 at 09:29

i'm confident of doing some catch-up. damn shame that owen was injured at the weekend and zamora is my bloody sub striker!


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 5-10-2005 at 11:42

over 400 points. sweet


Funky Fairy - 5-10-2005 at 12:25

making my way up the table. oh yes!


cherry_blossom_pig - 5-10-2005 at 12:58

i've given up on my team


jazzy - 17-10-2005 at 09:43

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 66 512
2 The Gash Peter Jones 54 479
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 70 473
4 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 76 440
5 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 43 424
6 party hard sam leppard 55 417
7 The Rats Ed Lugg 49 413
8 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 53 387
9 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 60 382
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 30 370
11 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 52 367
12 Team Fairy danielle price 31 363
13 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 56 354
14 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 31 354
15 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 28 352
16 Big Chin FC sam fuller 51 348
17 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 28 328
18 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 53 307
19 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 34 275
20 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 65 274
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 42 251


Eleanor Conroy - 20-10-2005 at 16:26

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 88 534
2 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 90 493
3 The Gash Peter Jones 66 491
4 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 98 462
5 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 66 447
6 The Rats Ed Lugg 72 436
7 party hard sam leppard 67 429
8 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 65 399
9 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 77 399
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 45 385
11 Team Fairy danielle price 50 382
12 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 66 381
13 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 70 368
14 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 41 364
15 Big Chin FC sam fuller 61 358
16 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 31 355
17 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 28 328
18 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 65 319
19 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 79 288
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 40 281
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 55 264

just had a quick look at my team and i'm 630th overall out of over 620,000 players - who says women don't know anything about football?!


jazzy - 24-10-2005 at 08:52

meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 44 578
2 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 46 539
3 The Gash Peter Jones 46 533
4 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 51 513
5 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 60 491
6 The Rats Ed Lugg 47 483
7 party hard sam leppard 30 459
8 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 29 428
9 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 29 428
10 Team Fairy danielle price 44 426
11 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 31 412
12 Ginger FC James Dunmore 23 408
13 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 24 392
14 Big Chin FC sam fuller 32 390
15 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 25 389
16 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 22 377
17 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 33 361
18 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 26 345
19 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 35 323
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 20 301
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 26 290

i've got to stop making transfers. i've lost so many points!


AntManBee - 24-10-2005 at 09:08

You've made more than me, and I've lost 40 odd points I think


i am sam - 24-10-2005 at 09:19

right. after a number of weeks of underachieving i'm going to sort my team out once and for all. thierry henry here we come.


dexterpanik - 24-10-2005 at 21:32

Quote:
Originally posted by cherry_blossom_pig

i've given up on my team

i think i'm doing ok considering i still don't know how to do transfers and 3 of my starting 11 are injured!


Eleanor Conroy - 25-10-2005 at 15:08

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

right. after a number of weeks of underachieving i'm going to sort my team out once and for all. thierry henry here we come.

you don't need scummy arsenal players to do well


Eleanor Conroy - 25-10-2005 at 15:12

Quote:
Originally posted by dexterpanik

Quote:
Originally posted by cherry_blossom_pig

i've given up on my team

i think i'm doing ok considering i still don't know how to do transfers and 3 of my starting 11 are injured!

select 'transfers' on the right hand side of the screen. click the yellow arrow under the player you want to transfer out then click on the player's name you want to replace him with. complicated stuff!

my advice is only to transfer one player a week unless you have an injury crisis, as it's not usually worth losing the 4 points.


AntManBee - 26-10-2005 at 07:08

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 53 587
2 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 55 548
3 The Gash Peter Jones 55 542
4 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 59 521
5 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 65 496
6 The Rats Ed Lugg 50 486
7 party hard sam leppard 36 465
8 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 35 434
9 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 32 431
10 Team Fairy danielle price 44 426
11 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 37 418
12 Ginger FC James Dunmore 26 411
13 Big Chin FC sam fuller 38 396
14 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 24 392
15 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 25 389
16 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 23 378
17 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 35 363
18 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 29 348
19 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 42 330
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 24 305
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 28 292

I never seem to do very well with these Actim points.


dunnerz - 27-10-2005 at 15:20

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

right. after a number of weeks of underachieving i'm going to sort my team out once and for all. thierry henry here we come.

you don't need scummy arsenal players to do well


ths scummy chelsea ones help you to get points tho!


Eleanor Conroy - 28-10-2005 at 14:27

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by dexterpanik

i think i'm doing ok considering i still don't know how to do transfers and 3 of my starting 11 are injured!

select 'transfers' on the right hand side of the screen. click the yellow arrow under the player you want to transfer out then click on the player's name you want to replace him with. complicated stuff!



oh, forgot to mention that after you've done this you need to click 'make transfers' at the bottom of your team and then it takes you to a screen which tells you which transfers you've made and asks you to confirm them. Just remember to do them before 11:30am on a saturday!

and james, there's nothing scummy about chelsea players. i think the word you were looking for may have been brilliant, classy or some other such adjective!


AntManBee - 28-10-2005 at 14:38

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by dexterpanik

i think i'm doing ok considering i still don't know how to do transfers and 3 of my starting 11 are injured!

select 'transfers' on the right hand side of the screen. click the yellow arrow under the player you want to transfer out then click on the player's name you want to replace him with. complicated stuff!



oh, forgot to mention that after you've done this you need to click 'make transfers' at the bottom of your team and then it takes you to a screen which tells you which transfers you've made and asks you to confirm them. Just remember to do them before 11:30am on a saturday!

and james, there's nothing scummy about chelsea players. i think the word you were looking for may have been brilliant, classy or some other such adjective!


I'd say Essien's challenge of Ben-Haim was pretty scummy. And the fact that he rolled around like a big gay to avoid getting a straight red.


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 28-10-2005 at 16:12

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee


I'd say Essien's challenge of Ben-Haim was pretty scummy. And the fact that he rolled around like a big gay to avoid getting a straight red.




Eleanor Conroy - 30-10-2005 at 18:51

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

And the fact that he rolled around like a big gay to avoid getting a straight red.


interestingly, i was just reading that the FA are going to start clamping down on homophobic abuse at matches - about time, too.


dunnerz - 30-10-2005 at 18:59

i think thats what the comments after the spurs game (re: sol campbell in the tunnel) were about. That fan apparntly will be banned for life.

good job too


RadioEd - 30-10-2005 at 19:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

And the fact that he rolled around like a big gay to avoid getting a straight red.


interestingly, i was just reading that the FA are going to start clamping down on homophobic abuse at matches - about time, too.


does that have anything to do with christiano ronaldos perm?


AntManBee - 30-10-2005 at 19:10

It has everything to do with said perm.

On a different note, can we initiate some kind of 'Manager of the Month' award please?


Colin DIS - 30-10-2005 at 20:08

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

And the fact that he rolled around like a big gay to avoid getting a straight red.


interestingly, i was just reading that the FA are going to start clamping down on homophobic abuse at matches - about time, too.


How about the chants of '10 german bombers' at England matches and booing of national anthems? Makes me sick whenever I am at the games.


AntManBee - 30-10-2005 at 20:51

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

And the fact that he rolled around like a big gay to avoid getting a straight red.


interestingly, i was just reading that the FA are going to start clamping down on homophobic abuse at matches - about time, too.


How about the chants of '10 german bombers' at England matches and booing of national anthems? Makes me sick whenever I am at the games.


'1 World Cup, 2 World Wars'?


Colin DIS - 31-10-2005 at 08:53

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

And the fact that he rolled around like a big gay to avoid getting a straight red.


interestingly, i was just reading that the FA are going to start clamping down on homophobic abuse at matches - about time, too.


How about the chants of '10 german bombers' at England matches and booing of national anthems? Makes me sick whenever I am at the games.


'1 World Cup, 2 World Wars'?


The tune is 'She'll Be Coming Round The Mountain' and goes like this...

'There were 10 german bombers in the air, there were 10 german bombers in the air, there were 10 german bombers, ten german bombers, ten german bombers in the air...

And the RAF from England shot one down, and the RAF from England shot one down, and the RAF from England, Raf from England, the RAF from England shot one down...'

Then it is 9, then 8 and so on.

Bloody idiots.


dunnerz - 31-10-2005 at 10:30

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

And the fact that he rolled around like a big gay to avoid getting a straight red.


interestingly, i was just reading that the FA are going to start clamping down on homophobic abuse at matches - about time, too.


actually, would that include "get up u pansy" ??


jazzy - 1-11-2005 at 09:55

well lampard scored lots anyway...

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 63 650
2 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 63 611
3 The Gash Peter Jones 46 588
4 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 65 582
5 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 67 563
6 The Rats Ed Lugg 73 543
7 party hard sam leppard 50 511
8 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 54 488
9 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 62 480
10 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 48 479
11 Ginger FC James Dunmore 54 461
12 Big Chin FC sam fuller 56 452
13 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 35 427
14 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 36 425
15 Team Fairy danielle price 17 423
16 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 33 411
17 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 43 406
18 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 52 382
19 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 33 381
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 51 356
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 30 322


Funky Fairy - 1-11-2005 at 10:26

hmmm well i managed to mess up a bit, ah well...


dunnerz - 1-11-2005 at 11:08

ok, this is the current highest football related thread:

Sorry if this has been said before, but the press are harping on at it again

Fat Frank:

World class superb player - worthy of FIFA player of the year (oh yes, its rumoured he will get it).

Or (as i think)

Just a good player, playing in a team where his type of play is very suited to their style.

Think the tell tail is that he has looked very average for england.

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike lampard, he has been scoring good goals, and doing a fantastic job for his club - its just that i've never seen him do anything spectacular (apart from very powerful free kicks) (i.e Ronaldinho) - why i can't understand why everyone is going nuts about him.

[Edited on 1/11/2005 by dunnerz]


jazzy - 1-11-2005 at 11:22

any midfielder who has managed to score 11 goals by the end of october is a pretty special player. his workrate is phenomenal too, and despite scoring on a regular basis, his tracking back and build-up play is superb too. it does help that he has essien and makelele around him though....


dunnerz - 1-11-2005 at 11:49

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

any midfielder who has managed to score 11 goals by the end of october is a pretty special player


agreeded - although taking nothing away, how many have been penalties (4 or 5?) - hehee, i do think arsenal could take lessons from him on taking them tho!!!

once again, it does help that chelsea dont score that many through their strikers - i mean isnt drogba the 2nd scorer with about 4-5 goals. If he was a striker, then 11 wouldn't really be that much to talk about

[Edited on 1/11/2005 by dunnerz]


Eleanor Conroy - 1-11-2005 at 11:54

i think the brilliant thing about frank lampard is his workrate and consistency - certainly he hasn't been at his best for england, but neither has any other england player. and he hasn't been bad, just not up to his usual extremely high standards.

the main point is that at chelsea you can rely on him to put in an excellent performance every single week and i can't think of any other player that never has a bad week. when henry's on his best, he's spectacular and the best player in the premiership (much as it pains me to say that about an arsenal player!), but if you took performance every week into account, i think it'd be between two players - lampard and terry.


Eleanor Conroy - 1-11-2005 at 11:55

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

any midfielder who has managed to score 11 goals by the end of october is a pretty special player


agreeded - although taking nothing away, how many have been penalties (4 or 5?) - hehee, i do think arsenal could take lessons from him on taking them tho!!!

once again, it does help that chelsea dont score that many through their strikers - i mean isnt drogba the 2nd scorer with about 4-5 goals. If he was a striker, then 11 wouldn't really be that much to talk about

[Edited on 1/11/2005 by dunnerz]


but i think you're missing the point that even without the goals he'd be a fantastic player, they're just an added bonus!


dunnerz - 1-11-2005 at 12:10

thats the thing - i think he is a good, solid, dependable, hard working player..... but not "amazing" (if you know what i mean) - like the press (well tabloids) keep harping on about


jazzy - 1-11-2005 at 12:35

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

thats the thing - i think he is a good, solid, dependable, hard working player..... but not "amazing" (if you know what i mean) - like the press (well tabloids) keep harping on about


with henry or ronaldinho you'll get 9/10 and 10/10 four or five times out of 10 and the rest of time you get 6 or 7/10. lampard consistently gives you 8/10 or 9/10 so over a 10 game period, works out with same average rating. hence he's amazing. if that makes sense....


jesus - 1-11-2005 at 12:40

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

he has looked very average for england.


I disagree! He hasn't been as good for England as he has for Chelsea, but he's still been great. Since the beginning of 2004 he's been our joint top scorer (with Owen). He also seems to score at crucial times - scored our goal against France in Euro 2004 that should really have won us the game, and he also got the goal that took us into the shootout against Portugal. He also got our only goal against Austria in the qualifiers recently (albeit a penalty) and the winner against Poland that meant we topped the group. And that's only his goals. Him, Rooney and Terry have been our best players by miles if you ask me. He's not a flair player like Ronaldinho, but I don't necessarily equate flair with quality and I'd rather have dependable Frank in my team.

Although what the fuck do I know? My fantasy football team seems to be vanishing down the shitter. Fucking Charlton. It would also help if Chelsea could manage a clean sheet now and then...


Eleanor Conroy - 1-11-2005 at 12:48

Quote:
Originally posted by jesus

Although what the fuck do I know? My fantasy football team seems to be vanishing down the shitter.

it's alright, by that logic I'm definitely right and I agree with you!


AntManBee - 1-11-2005 at 16:40

Frank Lampard is hard-working, consistent and all the rest of the boring stuff, but in the last couple of seasons he's developed a superb range of passing to go with his vision - which is a rare gft - and strikes the ball as well as any.

It's a different kind of flair, but flair all the same.


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 1-11-2005 at 18:10

I love lampard.


Eleanor Conroy - 1-11-2005 at 18:44

just read about a roy keane interview with MUTV in which he's so critical of his team-mates that they decided it was best to ring alex ferguson to check if they could put it out on air - he told them to bin it. what part of keane's tiny mind leads him to the conclusion that slagging everybody off is the best way to bring morale back to the team? he's such a moron.


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 1-11-2005 at 20:47

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

just read about a roy keane interview with MUTV in which he's so critical of his team-mates that they decided it was best to ring alex ferguson to check if they could put it out on air - he told them to bin it. what part of keane's tiny mind leads him to the conclusion that slagging everybody off is the best way to bring morale back to the team? he's such a moron.


I agree in the fact he should never of aired his thoughts over the t.v. United are in a slump at the moment and its up to the likes of Keane to try and pull them out of it but his words and views should never have left the club - otherwise they just fuel the gossip pages of rag tag papers like the sun.


dunnerz - 2-11-2005 at 09:36

i can see both sides of the keane arguement; what he said needs to be said - but not to the media!

I can't stand the bloke, but it was funny what he said about rio - something about being paid £120,000 a week to play well for 20mins in a 1-1 draw with spurs doesn't make you a superstar

or something like that.

Thing is tho, he is the captain, and saying stuff like "we should have a clear out in january" just shows complete contempt (spelling/wrong word maybe - you know what i mean) to the manager; who you really should respect - or again, if you think it, it should be a private word with him and/or the board, not your tv station!


jesus - 2-11-2005 at 09:40

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

what part of keane's tiny mind leads him to the conclusion that slagging everybody off is the best way to bring morale back to the team? he's such a moron.


I tend to think that Roy can do whatever he likes because he's great and he's been at United for a really long time. He's always gone in for a bit of tough love, it usually works. Mind you, maybe he went too far. I'd love to know what he said...

On a similar note, I'm quite enjoying the Wenger/Mourinho spat at the moment. I think Arsene might need to get a sense of humour, all that stuff Mourinho said about looking through people's windows with telescopes was really funny.


jazzy - 2-11-2005 at 10:28

i think it's good that keane has said it. the five or six players he named aren't up to the job!


Colin DIS - 2-11-2005 at 10:33

I think Kieran Richardson got some unfair stick. he got picked for England based on the superb attacking performances he gave at West Brom but is playing in defence back at United.


dunnerz - 2-11-2005 at 10:58

Quote:
Originally posted by jesus

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

what part of keane's tiny mind leads him to the conclusion that slagging everybody off is the best way to bring morale back to the team? he's such a moron.


I tend to think that Roy can do whatever he likes because he's great and he's been at United for a really long time. He's always gone in for a bit of tough love, it usually works. Mind you, maybe he went too far. I'd love to know what he said...


would he be great without the support of fergie tho?? (and this spat is really against him)

Quote:


On a similar note, I'm quite enjoying the Wenger/Mourinho spat at the moment. I think Arsene might need to get a sense of humour, all that stuff Mourinho said about looking through people's windows with telescopes was really funny.


You mean the spat that the tabloids have invented.
I mean its really stupid - every press confrence they ask him (Arsene) about Chelsea - then ask Maureen what he thinks about him talking about them all the time!!
it is funny, but not for the actual context of the argument - more what can the press hype up next.


jazzy - 2-11-2005 at 11:58

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

I think Kieran Richardson got some unfair stick. he got picked for England based on the superb attacking performances he gave at West Brom but is playing in defence back at United.


stewart downing is much better than him - why does richardson get picked over him for england?


dunnerz - 2-11-2005 at 12:35

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

I think Kieran Richardson got some unfair stick. he got picked for England based on the superb attacking performances he gave at West Brom but is playing in defence back at United.


stewart downing is much better than him - why does richardson get picked over him for england?


hasn't downing been injured for past 9 months


dexterpanik - 2-11-2005 at 12:42

Quote:
Originally posted by Cleverest_of_monkeys

I love lampard.

if that's an anchorman reference it's the funniest thing you've ever said. and if it's not then it's perfectly justified.


jazzy - 2-11-2005 at 15:13

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

I think Kieran Richardson got some unfair stick. he got picked for England based on the superb attacking performances he gave at West Brom but is playing in defence back at United.


stewart downing is much better than him - why does richardson get picked over him for england?


hasn't downing been injured for past 9 months


but even when he was fit (at the start of the season and for the summer usa tour) richardson was picked ahead of him. it makes no sense....


dexterpanik - 2-11-2005 at 15:19

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

stewart downing is much better than him - why does richardson get picked over him for england?

hasn't downing been injured for past 9 months

but even when he was fit (at the start of the season and for the summer usa tour) richardson was picked ahead of him. it makes no sense....

course it makes sense - richardson plays for man utd, therefore he is far more more likely to be a success in the england team. same as phil neville, nicky butt, rio ferdinand and countless others over the years.


RadioEd - 4-11-2005 at 12:11

this week's transfers have been made. another fat week for me no doubt....

im with sam, downing is clearly better than richardson. sven should be picking cole, downing, lampard, and lampard for england.


Colin DIS - 4-11-2005 at 12:13

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

this week's transfers have been made. another fat week for me no doubt....

im with sam, downing is clearly better than richardson. sven should be picking cole, downing, lampard, and lampard for england.


I agree, 2 Lampards in Midfield


RadioEd - 4-11-2005 at 12:33

exactly right - he's our best player so why not?


clarkogir - 6-11-2005 at 19:34

UNITED!!! UNITED!!!

fletcher is still crap though...


dunnerz - 6-11-2005 at 21:00

it really hurt me to say it - but i wanted united to win!!

and our Record is safe


Colin DIS - 7-11-2005 at 10:33

Now for some REAL football...

Come on you Donny & Col U this weekend!


Eleanor Conroy - 7-11-2005 at 12:59

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

it really hurt me to say it - but i wanted united to win!!

we'll still win the league, but of all the fuckers to lose to...


dunnerz - 7-11-2005 at 13:52

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

it really hurt me to say it - but i wanted united to win!!

we'll still win the league, but of all the fuckers to lose to...


i know! - i've been saying that you will win it for a while! (despite hoping that we do!!) - it was our 49 game unbeaten run that i was most worried about!!!! your still 10 points (with game in hand 7 points) clear - i mean, are chelsea going to loose 3 more games (with an assumption united would win rest of their games this season, etc)

It really hurts loosing the united - i'm still hunted by Van donkey faces celebration


jazzy - 8-11-2005 at 10:42

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 35 696
2 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 43 661
3 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 44 638
4 The Gash Peter Jones 39 633
5 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 55 623
6 The Rats Ed Lugg 70 615
7 party hard sam leppard 45 564
8 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 39 535
9 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 48 534
10 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 29 511
11 Ginger FC James Dunmore 36 503
12 Big Chin FC sam fuller 38 501
13 Team Fairy danielle price 53 476
14 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 33 462
15 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 33 461
16 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 49 458
17 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 35 449
18 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 32 421
19 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 33 419
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 44 412
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 54 364

ed to be on top of the league by christmas....


RadioEd - 9-11-2005 at 12:33

sweet, my score's been pushed to 84. chimbonda has been legendary at the back


AntManBee - 9-11-2005 at 12:42

Another mass of transfers will drop me to 6th, but I'll be in the top two by Xmas I reckon.

Where the hell did Wigan find this Chimbonda guy? He has been immense, no doubt.


jazzy - 9-11-2005 at 13:54

i've just lost another 8 points but i think it'll be worth it. looking at wigan's next five games, my two wigan defenders experiment has come to a very rapid end...


jazzy - 9-11-2005 at 13:55

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 38 699
2 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 48 666
3 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 50 644
4 The Gash Peter Jones 42 636
5 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 65 633
6 The Rats Ed Lugg 84 629
7 party hard sam leppard 48 567
8 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 51 537
9 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 41 537
10 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 32 514
11 Big Chin FC sam fuller 43 506
12 Ginger FC James Dunmore 38 505
13 Team Fairy danielle price 61 484
14 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 61 470
15 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 35 464
16 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 34 462
17 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 37 451
18 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 37 426
19 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 35 421
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 48 416
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 59 369

new prediction - ed to be on top by the end of the month, sod christmas!


Dr. Rob - 9-11-2005 at 14:08

Oh, boy. That's what I get for forgetting about this.


AntManBee - 18-11-2005 at 12:32

This came earlier than I expected.


RadioEd - 18-11-2005 at 12:54

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

This came earlier than I expected.


time for a dream move to ewood.....


dunnerz - 18-11-2005 at 14:05

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

This came earlier than I expected.

Best football news I've heard in a long time.

Also makes me laugh as a lot of manc fans were slagging arsenal off for lack of "midfield enging room" and now he has gone - brilliant, back at them!

I think it is very nice that man u have offered him a testamonial, etc.

I don't recon he will play for another premiership team. He won't go to (as in he personally would not want to play for) any of the "big clubs" and I can see anyone else paying into his pension fund, considering his age and how injury prone he is. I recon a move to SPL maybe??

[Edited on 18/11/2005 by dunnerz]


jazzy - 18-11-2005 at 14:20

he would still walk into any premiership team (except chelsea) so maybe another premier laegue team isn't beyond the realms of possibility. celtic might be a possibility but then he might just retire, let's face it, he won't need the money will he?


i am sam - 18-11-2005 at 14:30

what odds do you reckon i could get on him joining bolton?


dexterpanik - 18-11-2005 at 15:23

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

what odds do you reckon i could get on him joining bolton?

that's a question for your obese guitarist, but given he's over 33 he's got more chance of ending up there than most.


dunnerz - 18-11-2005 at 17:06

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

he would still walk into any premiership team (except chelsea) so maybe another premier laegue team isn't beyond the realms of possibility. celtic might be a possibility but then he might just retire, let's face it, he won't need the money will he?


yes, not doubting his ability, just the circumstances - he says he will never play against united, can't see him joining a rival, or rival fans wanting him.

However, bolton are a team i could see im playing at.

But i think celtic will probably be hot favorites.


Eleanor Conroy - 21-11-2005 at 14:23

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

This came earlier than I expected.


time for a dream move to ewood.....

yeah, you are a bit short on thugs...


AntManBee - 21-11-2005 at 14:34

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

This came earlier than I expected.


time for a dream move to ewood.....

yeah, you are a bit short on thugs...




That's why she's top of the league methinks.


jazzy - 22-11-2005 at 09:52

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 37 736
2 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 34 700
3 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 59 680
4 The Gash Peter Jones 30 666
5 The Rats Ed Lugg 39 664
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 39 663
7 party hard sam leppard 59 626
8 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 62 599
9 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 46 583
10 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 52 566
11 Ginger FC James Dunmore 47 552
12 Big Chin FC sam fuller 41 547
13 Team Fairy danielle price 60 544
14 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 53 517
15 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 37 507
16 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 41 503
17 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 25 476
18 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 39 460
19 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 32 458
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 35 451
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 48 417


damn the bolton game being suspended. still, my sub goalkeeper got 7 points!


i am sam - 22-11-2005 at 10:18

for once one of my substitutions paid off this week. all hail anton ferdinand!


dunnerz - 22-11-2005 at 10:30

had anton since week 1


I don't think im going too badly for a 1st season in the game!


jazzy - 24-11-2005 at 13:06

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 37 736
2 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 34 700
3 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 65 686
4 The Rats Ed Lugg 45 670
5 The Gash Peter Jones 30 666
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 42 666
7 party hard sam leppard 65 632
8 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 68 605
9 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 49 586
10 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 56 570
11 Ginger FC James Dunmore 52 557
12 Team Fairy danielle price 70 554
13 Big Chin FC sam fuller 41 547
14 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 57 521
15 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 43 513
16 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 44 506
17 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 26 477
18 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 40 461
19 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 32 458
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 37 453
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 53 422


jazzy - 24-11-2005 at 13:10

is anyone else finding the whole man utd situation very amusing at the moment? first they get bought by the glazers who have burdened the club with loads debt. then they lose roy keane and they look like they are about to drop out of the champions league, losing them at least £10 million. and now vodafone have dropped out on them, losing them £18million in sposnorship and also rendering their brand new kit (which they would have sold loads of during the christmas period) useless....

arf!


Eleanor Conroy - 24-11-2005 at 14:26

couldn't happen to a nicer team!


jazzy - 24-11-2005 at 15:02

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

couldn't happen to a nicer team!


incidentally conroy, that gap between me and you is only 50 points now! i'm coming for you...


Eleanor Conroy - 24-11-2005 at 15:27

it's not been a good run for me recently, but you haven't caught me yet!


jazzy - 25-11-2005 at 13:24

george best is dead. i know everyone knew it was coming but it's still a shame...


i am sam - 30-11-2005 at 17:32

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 44 780
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 65 747
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 36 736
4 The Rats Ed Lugg 46 712
5 party hard sam leppard 72 704
6 The Gash Peter Jones 37 703
7 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 35 701
8 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 47 652
9 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 38 624
10 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 48 618
11 Team Fairy danielle price 45 599
12 Big Chin FC sam fuller 48 595
13 Ginger FC James Dunmore 37 594
14 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 43 564
15 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 46 552
16 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 37 550
17 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 27 504
18 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 50 503
19 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 40 498
20 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 31 492
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 40 462

thought i'd post an updated table as i did quite well this week...


Eleanor Conroy - 30-11-2005 at 23:26

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 57 793
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 84 766
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 57 757
4 The Rats Ed Lugg 61 727
5 party hard sam leppard 83 715
6 The Gash Peter Jones 38 704
7 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 35 701
8 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 55 660
9 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 45 631
10 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 55 625
11 Big Chin FC sam fuller 65 612
12 Team Fairy danielle price 47 601
13 Ginger FC James Dunmore 38 595
14 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 56 577
15 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 60 566
16 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 43 556
17 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 71 524
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 42 519
19 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 50 508
20 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 40 501
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 59 481

a more up to date table. hmmm - a less than 30 point lead - a few transfers in the next few weeks methinks...


jazzy - 1-12-2005 at 09:19

84 points in a week. told you i was coming for you miss conroy....


i am sam - 1-12-2005 at 09:44

I don't understand how points keep going up! There were absolutely definitely no premiership matches last night, or indeed any day this week yet the points have kept rising since sunday.


jazzy - 1-12-2005 at 09:46

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

I don't understand how points keep going up! There were absolutely definitely no premiership matches last night, or indeed any day this week yet the points have kept rising since sunday.


liverpool beat sunderland 2-0 last night. i have carragher, finnan and gerrard who kept clean sheets and in gerrard's case, scored.


i am sam - 1-12-2005 at 10:02

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

I don't understand how points keep going up! There were absolutely definitely no premiership matches last night, or indeed any day this week yet the points have kept rising since sunday.


liverpool beat sunderland 2-0 last night. i have carragher, finnan and gerrard who kept clean sheets and in gerrard's case, scored.


oh, you're right. i should probably pay more attention. still, i'm not doing too badly. I've got a new tactic for this week. it's called 'put all my eggs in one basket'. my defence is decidedly liverpool based now.


jazzy - 1-12-2005 at 10:33

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

I don't understand how points keep going up! There were absolutely definitely no premiership matches last night, or indeed any day this week yet the points have kept rising since sunday.


liverpool beat sunderland 2-0 last night. i have carragher, finnan and gerrard who kept clean sheets and in gerrard's case, scored.


oh, you're right. i should probably pay more attention. still, i'm not doing too badly. I've got a new tactic for this week. it's called 'put all my eggs in one basket'. my defence is decidedly liverpool based now.


copy cat.


i am sam - 1-12-2005 at 10:42

to be fair i've had carragher and finnan for a while now but they've done me so well i've added warnock as well.


jazzy - 1-12-2005 at 10:51

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

to be fair i've had carragher and finnan for a while now but they've done me so well i've added warnock as well.


to be fair, i'd do the same. but stevie g seems to be coming into a bit of form (touch wood) so i'll stick with him for my third liverpool player...


RadioEd - 1-12-2005 at 14:23

carragher's been blindin' for me last few weeks although it's all about spurs this weekend...


Eleanor Conroy - 1-12-2005 at 17:16

careful - i think liverpool aren't playing at all in one of the gameweeks coming up soon (why i'm warning you i don't quite know - i'm too nice for my own good!)


jazzy - 5-12-2005 at 10:04

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 44 837
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 50 818
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 33 782
4 The Rats Ed Lugg 52 767
5 party hard sam leppard 46 761
6 The Gash Peter Jones 56 760
7 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 48 733
8 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 62 694
9 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 33 693
10 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 39 664
11 Team Fairy danielle price 43 644
12 Ginger FC James Dunmore 47 642
13 Big Chin FC sam fuller 28 640
14 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 57 634
15 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 44 611
16 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 24 580
17 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 33 552
18 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 27 551
19 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 27 537
20 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 23 524
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 40 502


Cleverest_of_monkeys - 5-12-2005 at 17:17

i saw chelsea play the other day - that lampard feela is worth a look


Eleanor Conroy - 7-12-2005 at 00:15

post actim points...

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 49 842
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 52 820
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 46 795
4 The Rats Ed Lugg 54 769
5 party hard sam leppard 49 764
6 The Gash Peter Jones 54 758
7 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 52 737
8 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 77 709
9 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 44 704
10 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 41 666
11 Team Fairy danielle price 50 651
12 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 69 646
12 Ginger FC James Dunmore 51 646
14 Big Chin FC sam fuller 30 642
15 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 56 623
16 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 35 591
17 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 41 565
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 37 556
19 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 35 545
20 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 39 540
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 53 515


dunnerz - 8-12-2005 at 11:11

Man u out of the Champions League!


hehee

actually, man u as an english team- would prefere too seem them through, as it will strech their team more (so more chance of arsenal getting 2nd spot and fa cup, etc.) and it is better for english football that they are through. However, it is one in the face to man u fans, who are usually quite intorable (i know that word is spelt wrong!).

Incidently:

Group winners

Juventus
Arsenal
Barcelona
Villarreal
AC Milan
Olympique Lyonnais
Liverpool
Internazionale

Group runners-up

Bayern München
Ajax
Werder Bremen
Benfica
PSV Eindhoven
Real Madrid
Chelsea
Rangers

So Arsenal can face Bayen, Weder, Benfica, PSV, Rangers and Real Madrid - Same for Liverpool, but with Ajax in the list too.

Chelsea could have Juventus, Barcelona, Villarreal, AC Milan, Olympique lyonnais, Internazionale

Would love to see Chelsea Juventus draw.

Also would love to so either Arsenal or Liverpool against Real Madrid.


Spark Tarpauline - 8-12-2005 at 11:13

The thing I like about United going out is that they don't even qualify for the Uefa cup, now thst's a cold hard slap in the face, bottom of the group indeed!!


jazzy - 15-12-2005 at 12:16

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 61 903
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 52 868
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 54 849
4 The Rats Ed Lugg 64 833
5 The Gash Peter Jones 61 819
6 party hard sam leppard 46 806
7 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 46 779
8 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 46 755
9 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 40 744
10 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 60 726
11 Team Fairy danielle price 67 718
12 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 58 704
13 Ginger FC James Dunmore 50 696
14 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 61 684
15 Big Chin FC sam fuller 33 675
16 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 38 629
17 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 67 623
18 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 40 605
19 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 53 598
20 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 52 592
21 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 37 528


i am sam - 15-12-2005 at 12:51

if danielle had started in the first week she'd be doing worryingly well for someone who picked their team at random.

that was a rubbish week for me. two man u players and they got fuck all points between them. still, i suppose that's what you get if you pick smith and park.

and next week i have a severely compromised team because liverpool have fucked off to japan.

still, my target for the season's end is third. which is doable.


Eleanor Conroy - 16-12-2005 at 21:09

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told you not to count your chickens, gareth...


Eleanor Conroy - 19-12-2005 at 21:59

and again gareth - you're making it too easy...!

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jazzy - 20-12-2005 at 15:22

considering commiting fantasy suicide and making 20 points of changes....


jazzy - 20-12-2005 at 15:55

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Originally posted by jazzy

considering commiting fantasy suicide and making 20 points of changes....


excellent, i'll be starting the next game week in 3rd or 4th! hoepfully my new super midfield will make up for it though...


dunnerz - 20-12-2005 at 16:14

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Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

considering commiting fantasy suicide and making 20 points of changes....


excellent, i'll be starting the next game week in 3rd or 4th! hoepfully my new super midfield will make up for it though...


are you talking to yourself?!


jazzy - 4-1-2006 at 09:54

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RadioEd - 4-1-2006 at 14:12

the festive period has not treated the mighty rats so well as it has treated rovers

i can't believe we're 8th, although we've had a piss easy run of games


jazzy - 4-1-2006 at 14:14

i thought you were a dead cert to take the lead a few weeks ago. now that person seems to be me


RadioEd - 4-1-2006 at 14:20

it's usually fairly easy to predict who's definitely gonna score highly by looking at the fixtures, but bolton, liverpool, and chelsea have been conceding, and nolan's had a dry run so i've found myself languishing somewhat.

any tips?


jazzy - 4-1-2006 at 14:23

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Originally posted by RadioEd

it's usually fairly easy to predict who's definitely gonna score highly by looking at the fixtures, but bolton, liverpool, and chelsea have been conceding, and nolan's had a dry run so i've found myself languishing somewhat.

any tips?


henri camara at wigan isn't a bad little linvestment for £7mil. or michael dawson at spurs for £5.5...
and don't get rid of gamst pederson like i did. oops.


RadioEd - 4-1-2006 at 14:35

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Originally posted by jazzy

and don't get rid of gamst pederson like i did. oops.



too late, me too......... for gary o'neil


dunnerz - 4-1-2006 at 14:53

i'm doing shite

i think im going to have to wait until next seaon until i stand a slight chance!!! - still i know this was an expeimental season!!!


dunnerz - 5-1-2006 at 09:06

what on earth are spurs doing so high in the table!! - discraceful!

can they hold on tho??? or do a repeat of other seasons and slump back to 8th??? - in all fairness - i think they will finish 5th.....?


AntManBee - 5-1-2006 at 09:17

Great result for us last night. And what was that tackle by David Sommeil all about? Cuntrag.

It's a shame we're losing Mido to the African Nations Cup now - he's been in a rich vein of form. I wonder if Rasiak can step in and do the same

If we can at least keep in the hunt for 4th spot, I'll be pleased, but a European place is more likely I suppose.


i am sam - 5-1-2006 at 09:41

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Originally posted by AntManBee


It's a shame we're losing Mido to the African Nations Cup now - he's been in a rich vein of form. I wonder if Rasiak can step in and do the same


glad you mentioned that. better make some transfers.


jazzy - 5-1-2006 at 09:44

everyone with finnan might be in trouble too - liverpool have just signed a brilliant right back called kromkamp who may well nick finnan's starting place...


dunnerz - 5-1-2006 at 10:52

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

Great result for us last night. And what was that tackle by David Sommeil all about? Cuntrag.

It's a shame we're losing Mido to the African Nations Cup now - he's been in a rich vein of form. I wonder if Rasiak can step in and do the same

If we can at least keep in the hunt for 4th spot, I'll be pleased, but a European place is more likely I suppose.


i was thinking that - you only really seem to be getting the results when mido is playing

i actaully think finishing 4th would not be good for spurs - think cl straight away would make them do an everton - spurs have got a good squad, but not that good - a year in uefa cup, with a good run would be much better for them


AntManBee - 5-1-2006 at 11:00

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

Great result for us last night. And what was that tackle by David Sommeil all about? Cuntrag.

It's a shame we're losing Mido to the African Nations Cup now - he's been in a rich vein of form. I wonder if Rasiak can step in and do the same

If we can at least keep in the hunt for 4th spot, I'll be pleased, but a European place is more likely I suppose.


i was thinking that - you only really seem to be getting the results when mido is playing

i actaully think finishing 4th would not be good for spurs - think cl straight away would make them do an everton - spurs have got a good squad, but not that good - a year in uefa cup, with a good run would be much better for them


Maybe, but we've got a much better squad than Everton. I'd be happy if we saw any European action next year though!


jazzy - 5-1-2006 at 11:12

i think spurs will finish 4th and deserve it. their squad is much better than arsenal's and when the gunners lose henry, pires and bergkamp next season, spurs will be cemented as north london's top team. i reckon anyway....


RadioEd - 5-1-2006 at 11:56

fantastic! a true rovers hero back in the prem.

chris sutton at birmingham


Mercury Rising - 5-1-2006 at 11:59

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Originally posted by RadioEd

fantastic! a true rovers hero back in the prem.

chris sutton at birmingham




I remember his tv interviews the morning after he'd become Britains Most Expensive Transfer, from Norwich to Blackburn. He'd gone out for a little celebration and been arrested at about 3am for pissing on a car outside Hys in Tombland, and when he was talking about being so excited about his new team the next morning he really looked like shite.


dexterpanik - 5-1-2006 at 12:07

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Originally posted by dunnerz

i actaully think finishing 4th would not be good for spurs - think cl straight away would make them do an everton - spurs have got a good squad, but not that good - a year in uefa cup, with a good run would be much better for them

i don't think there's any danger of tottenham doing an everton. their squad is better and has more stregth in depth and they have one of the best managers in the league (no offence to moyes). but i hate tottenham so i hope they don't do well. but i like martin jol. it's so hard.

jazzy - pires won't leave. bergkamp might well retire, but he's not eactly a first team regular anyway, and it remains to be seen what will happen with henry. given your recent track record on predictions i might stick a few quid on him to stay!


jazzy - 5-1-2006 at 12:38

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Originally posted by dexterpanik

jazzy - pires won't leave. bergkamp might well retire, but he's not eactly a first team regular anyway, and it remains to be seen what will happen with henry. given your recent track record on predictions i might stick a few quid on him to stay!


why would the world's second best player want to stay at arsenal? apart from him and ashley cole, there is no true world class talent in the team. and it wouldn't suprise me if cole departed in the not-too-distant future either. henry has achieved all he's going to achieve at arsenal and that's why he'll leave in the summer.
as for bergkamp, he's still your second best striker. van persie blows hot and cold and i still can't believe you paid £15million for reyes. the guy's a joke!
and i can see pires leaving unless wenger backtracks on his one year extension policy.


dunnerz - 5-1-2006 at 14:23

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Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by dexterpanik

jazzy - pires won't leave. bergkamp might well retire, but he's not eactly a first team regular anyway, and it remains to be seen what will happen with henry. given your recent track record on predictions i might stick a few quid on him to stay!


why would the world's second best player want to stay at arsenal? apart from him and ashley cole, there is no true world class talent in the team. and it wouldn't suprise me if cole departed in the not-too-distant future either. henry has achieved all he's going to achieve at arsenal and that's why he'll leave in the summer.
as for bergkamp, he's still your second best striker. van persie blows hot and cold and i still can't believe you paid £15million for reyes. the guy's a joke!
and i can see pires leaving unless wenger backtracks on his one year extension policy.



I think wenger will change the policy for Pires.
Van Persie had a slow start as he was affected by what happened over the summer - not thats behind him, he has looked very good (considering he is only 21 and still getting used to english football) - considering his number of starts, he goals tally isnt that bad.
Your right about the value of Reyes - but i think he is good, just needs to proove himself a bit

Weather Henry and cole go I think will depend massivly on the Real madrid result - If we beat them, and we get the CL spot, I think Henry will stay. If we dont win, but dont get get trashed by them, I can't see Cole going - Real are one of the only big teams to show an interest in Cole and what would be the point of him going to a team that is in decline (arsenal are not in decline - just transition!)

World class talent - sol campbell, world cup winner gilberto, world cup winner Pires, cesc fabregas - at 18, is in the virge of a 1st team world cup place, senderos regular for switerzland, Toure and Eboue regulars for the Ivory coast who are in the world cup this year. So it depends what you define as world class?? As Spurs have prooved, you dont need world class talent to do well, you just have to play very well as a team - which Arsenal have not been.

But I do know what you mean, Arsenal have got a couple of holes in the squad - notiably defensive midfield, and defensive (centre back) cover. A replacment striker for bergkamp is needed next summer too - but we are very very close to being good again.

We I say spurs do an Everton, perhaps I over exagerated that a bit - I meant I can't see there squad being able to handle C.L., and perhaps drop to the UEFA stages + if the cup run is negative, it may impact on their impressive league position.
Saying that, if (more liekly when) they qualify for Europe of some sort it will attract more big names.


AntManBee - 5-1-2006 at 14:34

Come on James, you can't equate World Cup talent with world class talent... I'm sure you could produce a litany of players who made it to the World Cup despite being shite!!


dunnerz - 5-1-2006 at 14:39

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Originally posted by AntManBee

Come on James, you can't equate World Cup talent with world class talent... I'm sure you could produce a litany of players who made it to the World Cup despite being shite!!


that is my point
yes you could (product a list of world cup shite players - and the obverse to that too) - i just find the term world class talent always banded around quite freely, without anyone really defining it (myselft included).


Eleanor Conroy - 5-1-2006 at 14:40

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post actim points and automatic substitutions - not as much of a nightmare week as i'd feared! still need to make sure i make a transfer before the next deadline - stayed in bed too long on the 2nd


Colin DIS - 5-1-2006 at 14:49

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

why would the world's second best player want to stay at arsenal?


I said it once and I will say it again. James McFadden is not the worlds best player Gareth. Get over it!!!


jazzy - 5-1-2006 at 14:50

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

World class talent - sol campbell, world cup winner gilberto, world cup winner Pires, cesc fabregas - at 18, is in the virge of a 1st team world cup place, senderos regular for switerzland, Toure and Eboue regulars for the Ivory coast who are in the world cup this year. So it depends what you define as world class??


by world class i mean one of the world's best players in his position. spurs might not have any world class players but they have a solid unit and a huge squad that means that if one player gets injured, the whole team isn't fucked (like arsenal and henry for example).

and the following players are not world class....

pires - won the world cup eight years ago. not the player he was but still very important to arsenal. not world class any more though.
gilberto - slow, can't tackle, gives the ball away too much. been shown up as what he really is now vieria has left. definitely not world class.
fabregas - might be world class one day. at the moment he's not physical enough and has a tendency to disappear in games. against the big teams he generally come sup short because older players know how to play him.
senderos - again, might become world class. at the moment i could name you 30 better central defenders than senderos though. not currently world class.
eboue - just because he's going to the world cup, it doesn't mean he's world class. what about chris burke from port vale (?) who's playing for trinidad - is he world class?

this is the problem with arsenal. there are players who might turn into great players one day but that won't be for a number of years. henry is 29 and doesn't have a number of years to hang around for these players to develop. that's why he'll leave arsenal.


jazzy - 5-1-2006 at 14:51

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

why would the world's second best player want to stay at arsenal?


I said it once and I will say it again. James McFadden is not the worlds best player Gareth. Get over it!!!



Colin DIS - 5-1-2006 at 14:53

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

why would the world's second best player want to stay at arsenal?


I said it once and I will say it again. James McFadden is not the worlds best player Gareth. Get over it!!!




You didn't mention who the best player in the world was so I tried to be funny and...well... I'll get me coat!

'TAXI FOR WESTON!!!!'


Eleanor Conroy - 5-1-2006 at 14:53

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

why would the world's second best player want to stay at arsenal?


I said it once and I will say it again. James McFadden is not the worlds best player Gareth. Get over it!!!



i think it was a joke, dear


jazzy - 5-1-2006 at 14:54

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

why would the world's second best player want to stay at arsenal?


I said it once and I will say it again. James McFadden is not the worlds best player Gareth. Get over it!!!




You didn't mention who the best player in the world was so I tried to be funny and...well... I'll get me coat!

'TAXI FOR WESTON!!!!'


sorry, i was being slow!


Eleanor Conroy - 5-1-2006 at 14:56

how unlike you!


Colin DIS - 5-1-2006 at 15:02

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

World class talent - sol campbell, world cup winner gilberto, world cup winner Pires, cesc fabregas - at 18, is in the virge of a 1st team world cup place, senderos regular for switerzland, Toure and Eboue regulars for the Ivory coast who are in the world cup this year. So it depends what you define as world class??


by world class i mean one of the world's best players in his position. spurs might not have any world class players but they have a solid unit and a huge squad that means that if one player gets injured, the whole team isn't fucked (like arsenal and henry for example).

and the following players are not world class....

pires - won the world cup eight years ago. not the player he was but still very important to arsenal. not world class any more though.
gilberto - slow, can't tackle, gives the ball away too much. been shown up as what he really is now vieria has left. definitely not world class.
fabregas - might be world class one day. at the moment he's not physical enough and has a tendency to disappear in games. against the big teams he generally come sup short because older players know how to play him.
senderos - again, might become world class. at the moment i could name you 30 better central defenders than senderos though. not currently world class.
eboue - just because he's going to the world cup, it doesn't mean he's world class. what about chris burke from port vale (?) who's playing for trinidad - is he world class?

this is the problem with arsenal. there are players who might turn into great players one day but that won't be for a number of years. henry is 29 and doesn't have a number of years to hang around for these players to develop. that's why he'll leave arsenal.


My definition of world class is any player who would enhance any team in which he was to move to, no matter what. On this basis I would say that Arsenal have 3 world class players and they are Henry, Van Persie & Reyes in that they have the individual talent to rival anyone in the world player for player. Fabergas, Senderos, Flamini & Ljunberg (suprised no-one has mentioned him thus far) are all top quality players but after that then you are looking at competent to quite good players and you can't have them to be a title challenging team.

I don't rate the Arsenal back four inc. Campbell and up front there are serious issues which have to be sorted especially of Henry & Pires both leave and Bergkamp retires. In the midfield, with the players that Arsenal have they have one of the brightest units in the league (minus the 1,301,689 midfielders at Spurs!) but I don't think this is transition at Arsenal, I think it is the end of an era and could take 5-10 years to be in a position to challenge again just like what has happened at Liverpool.


dunnerz - 5-1-2006 at 15:03

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

World class talent - sol campbell, world cup winner gilberto, world cup winner Pires, cesc fabregas - at 18, is in the virge of a 1st team world cup place, senderos regular for switerzland, Toure and Eboue regulars for the Ivory coast who are in the world cup this year. So it depends what you define as world class??


by world class i mean one of the world's best players in his position. spurs might not have any world class players but they have a solid unit and a huge squad that means that if one player gets injured, the whole team isn't fucked (like arsenal and henry for example).

and the following players are not world class....

pires - won the world cup eight years ago. not the player he was but still very important to arsenal. not world class any more though.
gilberto - slow, can't tackle, gives the ball away too much. been shown up as what he really is now vieria has left. definitely not world class.
fabregas - might be world class one day. at the moment he's not physical enough and has a tendency to disappear in games. against the big teams he generally come sup short because older players know how to play him.
senderos - again, might become world class. at the moment i could name you 30 better central defenders than senderos though. not currently world class.
eboue - just because he's going to the world cup, it doesn't mean he's world class. what about chris burke from port vale (?) who's playing for trinidad - is he world class?

this is the problem with arsenal. there are players who might turn into great players one day but that won't be for a number of years. henry is 29 and doesn't have a number of years to hang around for these players to develop. that's why he'll leave arsenal.



yes i agree with that - that is what i was saying about beating Real, and our finishing position this year.

and what you said goes to proove what i said about world class - it doesn't really matter that much (being tagged world class), you just need a team that plays well, etc. - and even being tagged world class doesnt even mean that much

- owen is "world class" - but he only has a couple of league + a uefa cup to his name (rougly) and now plays for mid table newcastle - what im trying to say jsut cos newcastle have signed a world class striker, doesnt automatically get them in the top 4.

- Lampard, again "world class" - but his performances are only so great because his whole team is playing so well - he was good before chelsea got the mega squad, but now he looks even better - (but again, he only has a league cup, and 1 premiership title to show for it (so far....))

anyway - in my rather bloated response, and typical way of not being able to put down what i mean.....
you said no world class in the arsenal team - but that hasnt stopped spurs, and you'll see over the next couple of months it wont stop us.


jazzy - 5-1-2006 at 15:04

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

World class talent - sol campbell, world cup winner gilberto, world cup winner Pires, cesc fabregas - at 18, is in the virge of a 1st team world cup place, senderos regular for switerzland, Toure and Eboue regulars for the Ivory coast who are in the world cup this year. So it depends what you define as world class??


by world class i mean one of the world's best players in his position. spurs might not have any world class players but they have a solid unit and a huge squad that means that if one player gets injured, the whole team isn't fucked (like arsenal and henry for example).

and the following players are not world class....

pires - won the world cup eight years ago. not the player he was but still very important to arsenal. not world class any more though.
gilberto - slow, can't tackle, gives the ball away too much. been shown up as what he really is now vieria has left. definitely not world class.
fabregas - might be world class one day. at the moment he's not physical enough and has a tendency to disappear in games. against the big teams he generally come sup short because older players know how to play him.
senderos - again, might become world class. at the moment i could name you 30 better central defenders than senderos though. not currently world class.
eboue - just because he's going to the world cup, it doesn't mean he's world class. what about chris burke from port vale (?) who's playing for trinidad - is he world class?

this is the problem with arsenal. there are players who might turn into great players one day but that won't be for a number of years. henry is 29 and doesn't have a number of years to hang around for these players to develop. that's why he'll leave arsenal.


My definition of world class is any player who would enhance any team in which he was to move to, no matter what. On this basis I would say that Arsenal have 3 world class players and they are Henry, Van Persie & Reyes in that they have the individual talent to rival anyone in the world player for player. Fabergas, Senderos, Flamini & Ljunberg (suprised no-one has mentioned him thus far) are all top quality players but after that then you are looking at competent to quite good players and you can't have them to be a title challenging team.

I don't rate the Arsenal back four inc. Campbell and up front there are serious issues which have to be sorted especially of Henry & Pires both leave and Bergkamp retires. In the midfield, with the players that Arsenal have they have one of the brightest units in the league (minus the 1,301,689 midfielders at Spurs!) but I don't think this is transition at Arsenal, I think it is the end of an era and could take 5-10 years to be in a position to challenge again just like what has happened at Liverpool.


i agree. except for what you said about reyes and van persie as i think they are replaceable....


jazzy - 5-1-2006 at 15:07

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

World class talent - sol campbell, world cup winner gilberto, world cup winner Pires, cesc fabregas - at 18, is in the virge of a 1st team world cup place, senderos regular for switerzland, Toure and Eboue regulars for the Ivory coast who are in the world cup this year. So it depends what you define as world class??


by world class i mean one of the world's best players in his position. spurs might not have any world class players but they have a solid unit and a huge squad that means that if one player gets injured, the whole team isn't fucked (like arsenal and henry for example).

and the following players are not world class....

pires - won the world cup eight years ago. not the player he was but still very important to arsenal. not world class any more though.
gilberto - slow, can't tackle, gives the ball away too much. been shown up as what he really is now vieria has left. definitely not world class.
fabregas - might be world class one day. at the moment he's not physical enough and has a tendency to disappear in games. against the big teams he generally come sup short because older players know how to play him.
senderos - again, might become world class. at the moment i could name you 30 better central defenders than senderos though. not currently world class.
eboue - just because he's going to the world cup, it doesn't mean he's world class. what about chris burke from port vale (?) who's playing for trinidad - is he world class?

this is the problem with arsenal. there are players who might turn into great players one day but that won't be for a number of years. henry is 29 and doesn't have a number of years to hang around for these players to develop. that's why he'll leave arsenal.



yes i agree with that - that is what i was saying about beating Real, and our finishing position this year.

and what you said goes to proove what i said about world class - it doesn't really matter that much (being tagged world class), you just need a team that plays well, etc. - and even being tagged world class doesnt even mean that much

- owen is "world class" - but he only has a couple of league + a uefa cup to his name (rougly) and now plays for mid table newcastle - what im trying to say jsut cos newcastle have signed a world class striker, doesnt automatically get them in the top 4.

- Lampard, again "world class" - but his performances are only so great because his whole team is playing so well - he was good before chelsea got the mega squad, but now he looks even better - (but again, he only has a league cup, and 1 premiership title to show for it (so far....))

anyway - in my rather bloated response, and typical way of not being able to put down what i mean.....
you said no world class in the arsenal team - but that hasnt stopped spurs, and you'll see over the next couple of months it wont stop us.


but my original point (that i didn't make very well as i got side tracked) is that henry is 29 - he has 3 or 4 years left at his best. he can't afford to wait for the potential at arsenal to come out if a club like barcelona come knocking. play with reyes, van persie and hleb or play with ronaldinho, messi and deco. not a difficult choice really is it? and if arsenal lose him for £20 million (you won't get much more what with him coming into the last 18 months of his contract) there is no way you can replace him. spurs have invested really well throughout the squad and consequently look a better bet than arsenal for this season at least.


Colin DIS - 5-1-2006 at 15:07

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- Lampard, again "world class" - but his performances are only so great because his whole team is playing so well - he was good before chelsea got the mega squad, but now he looks even better - (but again, he only has a league cup, and 1 premiership title to show for it (so far....))


This is the one statement I have issues with and have for a while in other discussions I have had with people. Gerrard Vs. Lampard being the example in point. Gerrard is an amazing midfielder who looked supreme in a poor Liverpool squad. Lampard looks supreme in one of the best squads this country has ever scene. To stand out amongst that talent takes real brilliance and that is what Lampard has. Lampard is the best midfielder in Britain (except for Michael McIndoe!)


dunnerz - 5-1-2006 at 15:10

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My definition of world class is any player who would enhance any team in which he was to move to, no matter what.


see what i said about owen - not taking anything away from him - but newcastle have hardly looked enhanced.
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On this basis I would say that Arsenal have 3 world class players and they are Henry, Van Persie & Reyes in that they have the individual talent to rival anyone in the world player for player. Fabergas, Senderos, Flamini & Ljunberg (suprised no-one has mentioned him thus far) are all top quality players but after that then you are looking at competent to quite good players and you can't have them to be a title challenging team.

I don't rate the Arsenal back four inc. Campbell and up front there are serious issues which have to be sorted especially of Henry & Pires both leave and Bergkamp retires. In the midfield, with the players that Arsenal have they have one of the brightest units in the league (minus the 1,301,689 midfielders at Spurs!) but I don't think this is transition at Arsenal, I think it is the end of an era and could take 5-10 years to be in a position to challenge again just like what has happened at Liverpool.


yep - back 4 are looking a bit dodgy (although only defense in the 4 english football leagues not to conceed over christmas). - I think dodgyness will be resolved with cole is back + Hoyte plays RB next year

think it will be a quicker turn around than liverpool, but similar thing


dunnerz - 5-1-2006 at 15:13

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World class talent - sol campbell, world cup winner gilberto, world cup winner Pires, cesc fabregas - at 18, is in the virge of a 1st team world cup place, senderos regular for switerzland, Toure and Eboue regulars for the Ivory coast who are in the world cup this year. So it depends what you define as world class??


by world class i mean one of the world's best players in his position. spurs might not have any world class players but they have a solid unit and a huge squad that means that if one player gets injured, the whole team isn't fucked (like arsenal and henry for example).

and the following players are not world class....

pires - won the world cup eight years ago. not the player he was but still very important to arsenal. not world class any more though.
gilberto - slow, can't tackle, gives the ball away too much. been shown up as what he really is now vieria has left. definitely not world class.
fabregas - might be world class one day. at the moment he's not physical enough and has a tendency to disappear in games. against the big teams he generally come sup short because older players know how to play him.
senderos - again, might become world class. at the moment i could name you 30 better central defenders than senderos though. not currently world class.
eboue - just because he's going to the world cup, it doesn't mean he's world class. what about chris burke from port vale (?) who's playing for trinidad - is he world class?

this is the problem with arsenal. there are players who might turn into great players one day but that won't be for a number of years. henry is 29 and doesn't have a number of years to hang around for these players to develop. that's why he'll leave arsenal.



yes i agree with that - that is what i was saying about beating Real, and our finishing position this year.

and what you said goes to proove what i said about world class - it doesn't really matter that much (being tagged world class), you just need a team that plays well, etc. - and even being tagged world class doesnt even mean that much

- owen is "world class" - but he only has a couple of league + a uefa cup to his name (rougly) and now plays for mid table newcastle - what im trying to say jsut cos newcastle have signed a world class striker, doesnt automatically get them in the top 4.

- Lampard, again "world class" - but his performances are only so great because his whole team is playing so well - he was good before chelsea got the mega squad, but now he looks even better - (but again, he only has a league cup, and 1 premiership title to show for it (so far....))

anyway - in my rather bloated response, and typical way of not being able to put down what i mean.....
you said no world class in the arsenal team - but that hasnt stopped spurs, and you'll see over the next couple of months it wont stop us.


but my original point (that i didn't make very well as i got side tracked) is that henry is 29 - he has 3 or 4 years left at his best. he can't afford to wait for the potential at arsenal to come out if a club like barcelona come knocking. play with reyes, van persie and hleb or play with ronaldinho, messi and deco. not a difficult choice really is it? and if arsenal lose him for £20 million (you won't get much more what with him coming into the last 18 months of his contract) there is no way you can replace him. spurs have invested really well throughout the squad and consequently look a better bet than arsenal for this season at least.


After all that

YES - totally. Think Henry will only stay if we flucked the CL this year. £20 million, and hopefully a player coming the otherway would be good, considering 18months.


dexterpanik - 5-1-2006 at 17:29

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jazzy - pires won't leave. bergkamp might well retire, but he's not eactly a first team regular anyway, and it remains to be seen what will happen with henry. given your recent track record on predictions i might stick a few quid on him to stay!


why would the world's second best player want to stay at arsenal? apart from him and ashley cole, there is no true world class talent in the team. and it wouldn't suprise me if cole departed in the not-too-distant future either. henry has achieved all he's going to achieve at arsenal and that's why he'll leave in the summer.
as for bergkamp, he's still your second best striker. van persie blows hot and cold and i still can't believe you paid £15million for reyes. the guy's a joke!
and i can see pires leaving unless wenger backtracks on his one year extension policy.

gutted i missed all this earlier. damn 'job' getting in the way again.

re the bold words above - i'm not actually an arsenal fan, i just have a certain fondness for them.

re reyes - i think he's a good player. definitely a confidence player though, and nobody in the arsenal side is playing with a great deal of that at the moment.

re henry - if he stayed it would be because he loves the club, becuase his wife is english and because they have a young child. but if i'm honest i think he'll go. i also think he's the best player in the world.


dexterpanik - 5-1-2006 at 17:39

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jazzy - pires won't leave. bergkamp might well retire, but he's not eactly a first team regular anyway, and it remains to be seen what will happen with henry. given your recent track record on predictions i might stick a few quid on him to stay!


why would the world's second best player want to stay at arsenal? apart from him and ashley cole, there is no true world class talent in the team. and it wouldn't suprise me if cole departed in the not-too-distant future either. henry has achieved all he's going to achieve at arsenal and that's why he'll leave in the summer.
as for bergkamp, he's still your second best striker. van persie blows hot and cold and i still can't believe you paid £15million for reyes. the guy's a joke!
and i can see pires leaving unless wenger backtracks on his one year extension policy.

gutted i missed all this earlier. damn 'job' getting in the way again.

re the bold words above - i'm not actually an arsenal fan, i just have a certain fondness for them.

re reyes - i think he's a good player. definitely a confidence player though, and nobody in the arsenal side is playing with a great deal of that at the moment.

re henry - if he stayed it would be because he loves the club, becuase his wife is english and because they have a young child. but if i'm honest i think he'll go. i also think he's the best player in the world.


dunnerz - 5-1-2006 at 19:56

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gutted i missed all this earlier. damn 'job' getting in the way again.


yeah, i should of being doing that earlier - your making me feel guilty now!!


dunnerz - 7-1-2006 at 14:40

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i actaully think finishing 4th would not be good for spurs - think cl straight away would make them do an everton - spurs have got a good squad, but not that good - a year in uefa cup, with a good run would be much better for them

i don't think there's any danger of tottenham doing an everton. their squad is better and has more stregth in depth and they have one of the best managers in the league (no offence to moyes). but i hate tottenham so i hope they don't do well. but i like martin jol. it's so hard.

jazzy - pires won't leave. bergkamp might well retire, but he's not eactly a first team regular anyway, and it remains to be seen what will happen with henry. given your recent track record on predictions i might stick a few quid on him to stay!



should of put that money on whilst you had the chance

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/4583184.stm
a jazzy prediction strikes again!!!


AntManBee - 7-1-2006 at 18:24

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Originally posted by dunnerz

i actaully think finishing 4th would not be good for spurs - think cl straight away would make them do an everton - spurs have got a good squad, but not that good - a year in uefa cup, with a good run would be much better for them

i don't think there's any danger of tottenham doing an everton. their squad is better and has more stregth in depth and they have one of the best managers in the league (no offence to moyes). but i hate tottenham so i hope they don't do well. but i like martin jol. it's so hard.

jazzy - pires won't leave. bergkamp might well retire, but he's not eactly a first team regular anyway, and it remains to be seen what will happen with henry. given your recent track record on predictions i might stick a few quid on him to stay!



should of put that money on whilst you had the chance

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/4583184.stm
a jazzy prediction strikes again!!!



I'm not sure that means a great deal, to be honest. If I was as gifted a player as Henry, I wouldn't stay at Arsenal unless they commit money to making significant new signings and win some major silverware this season.


Spark Tarpauline - 7-1-2006 at 18:37

On a slightly different note, check Luton out, they made Liverpool look a joke in the first half, hope they can hold on!!


AntManBee - 7-1-2006 at 19:08

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Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

On a slightly different note, check Luton out, they made Liverpool look a joke in the first half, hope they can hold on!!


It's all gone tits up. Shame.


dunnerz - 9-1-2006 at 09:09

to all spurs fans:

leciester



i mean, loosing a 2-0 lead!!!
especially as the equaliser came from a corner taken by an on loan arsenal player (the corner from the on loan, not the goal)


i am sam - 9-1-2006 at 09:18

also, the headline on the football365 site is 'plucky man u hold burton' which has amused me greatly at this early hour of the morning.


jazzy - 13-1-2006 at 09:41

crikey

[Edited on 13-1-2006 by jazzy]


dexterpanik - 13-1-2006 at 10:01

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crikey

brilliant. go on the arsenal. although it's a bit weird, a potentially brilliant player not going to chelsea...


jazzy - 13-1-2006 at 10:05

i guess he's seen what's happened to shaun wright phillips and glen johnson at chelsea and thought he doesn't want that to happen to him!


Colin DIS - 13-1-2006 at 10:20

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i guess he's seen what's happened to shaun wright phillips and glen johnson at chelsea and thought he doesn't want that to happen to him!


Instead he wants to follow the well paved route of all those amazing youth players that Arsenal have produced like Ashley Cole and.... erm....

Theo, stay at Southampton!!!


Spark Tarpauline - 13-1-2006 at 10:30

£15 million seems a little excessive for such a young player


jazzy - 13-1-2006 at 10:37

its not £15 million up front though. depends on appearances on success etc. aresnal might not have brought on much english talent but wenger's youth record in general is brilliant, i think walcott's made a good move.


Spark Tarpauline - 13-1-2006 at 10:55

oh fair enough. In other interesting news Portsmouth just bought 3 of our relatively unused Totenham players Pedro Mendes (who I really like and scored that 'non' goal at old trafford) Sean Davis a pretty resolute midfielder and Noe Parmarot who's fairly solid but prone to the occasional mistake. Good moves for Portsmouth I think.


Colin DIS - 13-1-2006 at 11:14

Spurs are an odd team. It was obvious that some of their talent had to go as they just had too many to keep happy but not sure letting Davies go was a good idea. I think that could come back to haunt them (and think of the fight they put up to get him in the first place!)

Also what is it with Spurs fans and strikers? They have no patience. Kanoute, Zamora, Rebrov & now Grzegorz Rasiak. All good players but fans would not give them a chance. They have not had a great striker since Klinsmann (I still don't rate Defoe as 'great' and Keane is too hit & miss) but refuse to give their players time.


jazzy - 13-1-2006 at 11:18

rasiak is just shit. really not up to premiership standard. i agree with all the other ones though, seems to be a strikers graveyard really doesn't it?


Colin DIS - 13-1-2006 at 11:23

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Originally posted by jazzy

rasiak is just shit. really not up to premiership standard. i agree with all the other ones though, seems to be a strikers graveyard really doesn't it?


Rasiak is not pacey but he is strong and has good movement. All you had to see was they way he played for Derby last season... he was awesome! He is kinda like Kuqi in many ways (except he has a slightly better celebration and less fashionable barnet)

Now, where is my dream team so I can bring in Olisadebe, one of my fave players


dunnerz - 13-1-2006 at 11:31

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Originally posted by jazzy

its not £15 million up front though. depends on appearances on success etc. aresnal might not have brought on much english talent but wenger's youth record in general is brilliant, i think walcott's made a good move.



took the words right out of my mouth!
Wengers youth policy has been pritty good (although not as much english talent in our youth team as west ham has brought through).

thing is, if he does live up to all these rave reviews - he could be worth over twice that amount (rooney value); not that we would see him if he was - just look how much SWP cost because of the hype. I think he is only 15million because chelski could be involved in the bidding.


dunnerz - 13-1-2006 at 11:35

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Originally posted by jazzy

rasiak is just shit. really not up to premiership standard. i agree with all the other ones though, seems to be a strikers graveyard really doesn't it?


wasnt signing Rasiak supposed to be a back up for mido going to the A.N.

trouble is they got strikers who dont play well togehter (keane and defoe) - but both linked well with mido


AntManBee - 13-1-2006 at 11:35

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Originally posted by jazzy

rasiak is just shit. really not up to premiership standard. i agree with all the other ones though, seems to be a strikers graveyard really doesn't it?


Seconded. He didn't win a single high ball against Leicester... not one. He looks slow and ungainly, and always has done. Fine for the lower leagues, maybe, but not against the bigger teams.


dexterpanik - 13-1-2006 at 11:43

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

Also what is it with Spurs fans and strikers? They have no patience. Kanoute, Zamora, Rebrov & now Grzegorz Rasiak. All good players but fans would not give them a chance. They have not had a great striker since Klinsmann (I still don't rate Defoe as 'great' and Keane is too hit & miss) but refuse to give their players time.

chris armstrong..?


dexterpanik - 13-1-2006 at 11:44

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Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

£15 million seems a little excessive for such a young player

the guardian has it at closer to £10 million, but it's all up in the air in terms of what players are potentially going the other way as well.

[Edited on 13-1-2006 by dexterpanik]


dunnerz - 13-1-2006 at 11:51

perhaps its not true!

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=352991&CPID=8&clid=&lid=2&title=Saints+hush+Walcott+claims


Colin DIS - 13-1-2006 at 11:51

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Originally posted by dexterpanik

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

Also what is it with Spurs fans and strikers? They have no patience. Kanoute, Zamora, Rebrov & now Grzegorz Rasiak. All good players but fans would not give them a chance. They have not had a great striker since Klinsmann (I still don't rate Defoe as 'great' and Keane is too hit & miss) but refuse to give their players time.

chris armstrong..?


It was injury that did all the damage to Chris Armstrong. On paper, him and Les Ferdinand were a great strike force.


Colin DIS - 13-1-2006 at 11:53

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Originally posted by dunnerz

perhaps its not true!

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=352991&CPID=8&clid=&lid=2&title=Saints+hush+Walcott+claims


Exactly, he hasn't gone anywhere! That was why I was telling him to stay at Southampton. I genuinely don't think Southampton wil let him go until the end of the season, if at all. If I remember corectly aren't under 17 players on non professional contracts so this would be a compensation payment which has to go through the courts.


dunnerz - 13-1-2006 at 12:09

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

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perhaps its not true!

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=352991&CPID=8&clid=&lid=2&title=Saints+hush+Walcott+claims


Exactly, he hasn't gone anywhere! That was why I was telling him to stay at Southampton. I genuinely don't think Southampton wil let him go until the end of the season, if at all. If I remember corectly aren't under 17 players on non professional contracts so this would be a compensation payment which has to go through the courts.



yes - which makes a deal more likely

has only has a pre-contractual agreement with southhampton - so after his birthday on march 17th, he can sign for any other club - southampton will only recieve a maxium of £500,000 compensation.

if they strike a deal (and he does sign (for arsenal)) then they will obviously get more than 500,000

i have read that the most likely deal is singing for arsenal, but be let back to southampton on loan for the rest of the season.


Spark Tarpauline - 13-1-2006 at 12:32

Rasiak may be gangly and a little slow but in the couple of times I've seen him play, he has held the ball up wonderfully, he does a great job of holding off defenders, the problem is I think he needs a little more experience, and Mido at the African Nations could help (although I believe Mido is back for tomorrows game against Liverpool). Rasiak will only ever be back up for mido with the way he has p[erformed this season.
Mido has been outstanding for us this season I think, he performs the job we need doing very well, he knocks down balls all day long, has a killer pass on him, and defends well (generally) at corners, he has also created a pretty decent partnership with Keene who has been pretty prolific in his last 10 games.


dunnerz - 13-1-2006 at 14:05

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Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

Mido has been outstanding for us this season I think, he performs the job we need doing very well, he knocks down balls all day long, has a killer pass on him, and defends well (generally) at corners, he has also created a pretty decent partnership with Keene who has been pretty prolific in his last 10 games.


your lucky he is coming back - he has been involved with nearly all your attacking moves lately.


i am sam - 13-1-2006 at 15:05

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Originally posted by dunnerz

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Mido has been outstanding for us this season I think, he performs the job we need doing very well, he knocks down balls all day long, has a killer pass on him, and defends well (generally) at corners, he has also created a pretty decent partnership with Keene who has been pretty prolific in his last 10 games.


your lucky he is coming back - he has been involved with nearly all your attacking moves lately.


yeah. and he's in my fantasy team, and i'd already used my sub up for this week...


dexterpanik - 13-1-2006 at 15:27

can you only use one sub a week?


jazzy - 13-1-2006 at 15:28

you can make as many as you like although you do get one 'free' transfer a week. anything after the free transfer costs you 4 points.


dunnerz - 13-1-2006 at 15:35

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Originally posted by jazzy

you can make as many as you like although you do get one 'free' transfer a week. anything after the free transfer costs you 4 points.

u'd be gutted if you lost the season by 4 points + u made a transfere that you didnt need, etc!


RadioEd - 13-1-2006 at 15:38

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/bolton_wanderers/4609778.stm

i can't believe we've let him go. if he'd had had a good run in the first team since his crash, he'd be our best player!


jazzy - 13-1-2006 at 15:41

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Originally posted by dunnerz

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Originally posted by jazzy

you can make as many as you like although you do get one 'free' transfer a week. anything after the free transfer costs you 4 points.

u'd be gutted if you lost the season by 4 points + u made a transfere that you didnt need, etc!


true. having said that, i made 20 points of transfers before christmas and as a result of that move, i've hauled almost 80 points back off eleanor. only 20 or so behind now!


Colin DIS - 13-1-2006 at 15:43

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Originally posted by RadioEd

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/bolton_wanderers/4609778.stm

i can't believe we've let him go. if he'd had had a good run in the first team since his crash, he'd be our best player!


I was suprised you let Jansen go to be honest, thought maybe Hughes would stick it out with him until the end of the season. Bolton could be the best place for him as well. Look at what Big Sam can do to players who had the potential but never quite made it...

Now just hope you can keep hold of Pedersen mate!!!


Spark Tarpauline - 13-1-2006 at 15:49

I had heard spurs were interested in pedersen. Don't know how true that was now, but he's a good little player


jazzy - 13-1-2006 at 15:56

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Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

I had heard spurs were interested in pedersen. Don't know how true that was now, but he's a good little player


he's a midfielder. of course spurs are interested in him....


Spark Tarpauline - 13-1-2006 at 16:01

We had about 12 on the books the other week, the more the merrier I say.
Looks like the game against liverpool tomorrow should be a good one, all our injuries should be fit, so davids back in the middle and King and Lee back in defence. Spurs fairly determined to bounce back from a dreadful performance in the cup and Liverpool on a rediculous run of 10 wins in 11, like i said, should be good


dunnerz - 13-1-2006 at 16:05

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Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

We had about 12 on the books the other week, the more the merrier I say.
Looks like the game against liverpool tomorrow should be a good one, all our injuries should be fit, so davids back in the middle and King and Lee back in defence. Spurs fairly determined to bounce back from a dreadful performance in the cup and Liverpool on a rediculous run of 10 wins in 11, like i said, should be good



should be a good 3-1 win to liverpool


Colin DIS - 13-1-2006 at 16:07

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Originally posted by dunnerz

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Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

We had about 12 on the books the other week, the more the merrier I say.
Looks like the game against liverpool tomorrow should be a good one, all our injuries should be fit, so davids back in the middle and King and Lee back in defence. Spurs fairly determined to bounce back from a dreadful performance in the cup and Liverpool on a rediculous run of 10 wins in 11, like i said, should be good


should be a good 3-1 win to liverpool


I can see Spurs pinching a result (albeit most likely a draw)

[Edited on 13-1-2006 by Colin DIS]


RadioEd - 13-1-2006 at 16:09

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Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

I had heard spurs were interested in pedersen. Don't know how true that was now, but he's a good little player


he's going nowhere, besides i think wayne routledge is just as effective at warming your bench as he'd be.


dunnerz - 17-1-2006 at 10:46

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

We had about 12 on the books the other week, the more the merrier I say.
Looks like the game against liverpool tomorrow should be a good one, all our injuries should be fit, so davids back in the middle and King and Lee back in defence. Spurs fairly determined to bounce back from a dreadful performance in the cup and Liverpool on a rediculous run of 10 wins in 11, like i said, should be good


should be a good 3-1 win to liverpool


I can see Spurs pinching a result (albeit most likely a draw)

[Edited on 13-1-2006 by Colin DIS]


unfortunalty they didn't

however, i will use that as an excuse to mention a certain 7-0 win!!! f'ing brilliant!


dexterpanik - 17-1-2006 at 11:44

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 47 1176
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 40 1146
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 39 1091
4 party hard sam leppard 54 1086
5 The Gash Peter Jones 39 1070
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 48 1052
7 The Rats Ed Lugg 33 1040
8 Team Fairy danielle price 54 1015
9 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 51 997
10 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 39 984
11 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 33 979
12 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 43 958
13 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 49 935
14 Ginger FC James Dunmore 38 929
15 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 36 908
16 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 43 888
17 Big Chin FC sam fuller 48 881
18 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 29 837
19 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 28 829
20 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 57 799
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 17 783

i made a load of transfers but i'm still doing rubbish.


jazzy - 17-1-2006 at 12:53



charlton have just paid £2.5 million for marcus bent. arf! wonder if he'll improve on his 7 goals in 42 games ratio he had with us....


dunnerz - 17-1-2006 at 13:10

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charlton have just paid £2.5 million for marcus bent. arf! wonder if he'll improve on his 7 goals in 42 games ratio he had with us....


thats going be confusing for them - having 2 bents up front

does seem like a lot (2.5m).

i think the walcott thing (if you've been keeping track) - is getting out of hand. Although most reports to seem to point at arsenal signing him (and loan back for the rest of the season) for 5m + 7m on appearances. Made me laugh when they said chelsea could bid what they want, as he didnt want to go there (although that might change!)


Colin DIS - 17-1-2006 at 13:31

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Originally posted by dunnerz

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Originally posted by jazzy



charlton have just paid £2.5 million for marcus bent. arf! wonder if he'll improve on his 7 goals in 42 games ratio he had with us....


thats going be confusing for them - having 2 bents up front

does seem like a lot (2.5m).

i think the walcott thing (if you've been keeping track) - is getting out of hand. Although most reports to seem to point at arsenal signing him (and loan back for the rest of the season) for 5m + 7m on appearances. Made me laugh when they said chelsea could bid what they want, as he didnt want to go there (although that might change!)


I have overtaken Dunnerz in the fantasy league. that is my aim for the season now. Finish aboove James!


Colin DIS - 17-1-2006 at 13:33

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I can see Spurs pinching a result (albeit most likely a draw)



unfortunalty they didn't

however, i will use that as an excuse to mention a certain 7-0 win!!! f'ing brilliant!


True but to be fair, my Monday night 5 a side team would have put up more a fight than Boro did on the day.


jazzy - 25-1-2006 at 12:19

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 43 1221
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 40 1180
3 party hard sam leppard 49 1138
4 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 41 1135
5 The Gash Peter Jones 40 1113
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 39 1095
7 The Rats Ed Lugg 29 1073
8 Team Fairy danielle price 40 1062
9 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 25 1027
10 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 36 1020
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 75 1013
12 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 20 999
13 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 30 994
14 Ginger FC James Dunmore 51 984
15 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 49 940
16 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 27 936
17 Big Chin FC sam fuller 32 916
18 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 32 874
19 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 22 856
20 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 40 841
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 39 824


i am sam - 25-1-2006 at 12:37

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Originally posted by jazzy

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 43 1221
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 40 1180
3 party hard sam leppard 49 1138
4 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 41 1135
5 The Gash Peter Jones 40 1113
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 39 1095
7 The Rats Ed Lugg 29 1073
8 Team Fairy danielle price 40 1062
9 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 25 1027
10 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 36 1020
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 75 1013
12 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 20 999
13 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 30 994
14 Ginger FC James Dunmore 51 984
15 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 49 940
16 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 27 936
17 Big Chin FC sam fuller 32 916
18 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 32 874
19 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 22 856
20 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 40 841
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 39 824


how did i do so well? i was doing terribly when i looked on sunday! still, a bold move into third place there. watch your back oughton.


i am sam - 25-1-2006 at 12:41

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how did i do so well?



ah, by sheer luck. thank god neil warnock didn't play. the automatic substitution put matthew '14 points' upson on for me. i knew there was a reason i was keeping him in my team. and anton ferdinand got a goal too. bonus.


nome - 26-1-2006 at 00:43

I would like to say that considering 3 of my players are currently out of action and have been for quite a while I believe (and I know I should change them but I've yet to quite work out how) I don't think I'm doing too badly in 15th place.


Colin DIS - 26-1-2006 at 08:23

Look at me with the late run up the table...


Colin DIS - 31-1-2006 at 17:21

Owusu-Abeyie is crap and now has a job footballing in Russia... so Moscow!

(Soccer AM moment)

Some intersting transfer moves in the past few days. Dion Dublin to Celtic, DJ Campbell on the verge of joining Brum, Pongolle to Blackburn, Rory Delap to Sunderland as well as several others... I like transfer windows


AntManBee - 1-2-2006 at 08:05

And we signed Danny Murphy... hmmm.


Colin DIS - 1-2-2006 at 08:40

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And we signed Danny Murphy... hmmm.


Danny Murphy is a good signing (not sure about letting Routledge go, even if it was on loan!) The one that really suprised me was Bolton letting Fabrice Fernandes go on a free transfer. Yeah he is a bit Laurent Robert (inconsistent) but on his day could change a game.


dunnerz - 1-2-2006 at 09:08

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And we signed Danny Murphy... hmmm.


Danny Murphy is a good signing (not sure about letting Routledge go, even if it was on loan!) The one that really suprised me was Bolton letting Fabrice Fernandes go on a free transfer. Yeah he is a bit Laurent Robert (inconsistent) but on his day could change a game.


good for spurs to get danny murphy - but i dont see how it is a positive move for him - given the fact they have about 30 players (ok, not that many) for midfield.


Colin - I liked the soccer am moment!


Yeah - couple of surprises in the window - i do like them - makes everything a bit more excitiing!


AntManBee - 1-2-2006 at 09:15

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And we signed Danny Murphy... hmmm.


Danny Murphy is a good signing


good for spurs to get danny murphy - but i dont see how it is a positive move for him - given the fact they have about 30 players (ok, not that many) for midfield.


We have got rid of a few in the transfer window... Sean Davis, Pedro Mendes, Michael Brown... and then we brought in a few more. I don't get it.

I still can't believe Pompey managed to steal d'Alessandro on loan. At least if they go down they might go down in style


jazzy - 1-2-2006 at 09:58

he's a moody little fucker though. quite amusing that they got rid of a moody but talented winger in laurent rober and brought in a moodier, more talented playmaker in return!

charlton are fucked without murphy, watch them slide down the table. might be a good outside bet for relegation y'know....


dunnerz - 1-2-2006 at 10:41

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he's a moody little fucker though. quite amusing that they got rid of a moody but talented winger in laurent rober and brought in a moodier, more talented playmaker in return!

charlton are fucked without murphy, watch them slide down the table. might be a good outside bet for relegation y'know....


wonder what the odds are

relgation battle will really heat up now - ok sunderland are down - which will end up being making them play without pressure thing soon, and start nicking points from teams challengeing for UEFA + heap more pressure on the teams slightly above them

you can see boro, brom, brum, portsmouth, and I agree with you, possible charlton, all in with the mix


jazzy - 1-2-2006 at 10:49

its quite funny how we're nearer to a european place now than a relegation place. 11 points ahead of birmingham and 8 off wigan. just goes to show that a disasterous run could see anyone from 10th onwards go down....


jazzy - 1-2-2006 at 10:52

1 Chelsea 23 37 62
2 Man Utd 23 22 48
3 Liverpool 21 17 44
4 Tottenham 24 11 41
5 Wigan 24 -1 38
6 Arsenal 22 18 37
7 Bolton 21 7 36
8 Blackburn 22 2 34
9 West Ham 23 -1 32
10 Man City 23 3 31
11 Charlton 22 -4 30
12 Everton 24 -15 30
13 Fulham 24 -4 29
14 Newcastle 22 -5 26
15 Aston Villa 23 -6 26
16 Middlesbrough 23 -10 25
17 West Brom 24 -11 23
18 Birmingham 22 -11 19
19 Portsmouth 23 -23 17
20 Sunderland 23 -26 9


looking at that you'd have to lump newcastle, villa, fulham, everton and charlton into the obvious mix of middlesborough, west brom, portsmouth, birmingham and sunderland. it's going to be interesting as any one of those teams could have a really bad run and end up down there...


dunnerz - 1-2-2006 at 11:10

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looking at that you'd have to lump newcastle, villa, fulham, everton and charlton into the obvious mix of middlesborough, west brom, portsmouth, birmingham and sunderland. it's going to be interesting as any one of those teams could have a really bad run and end up down there...


i think fulham and everton will be challenging for uefa spots (dont think they will get near - but will go for it - if you know what i mean - i dont think relgation will be on thier minds - saying that, fulhams away form is nearly as bad as ours)
Villa will do "just enough" as usual

But forgot about newcastle - yeah - think they will really be in it - hmmm, wonder how owen will feel playing in the championship - someone could end up with him, and his 120,000 a week contact on a cheap!!!


Colin DIS - 2-2-2006 at 10:14

Do you get minus points for your defender playing crap on the day then storming off from the ground at half time like a spoilt little bitch?

[Edited on 2-2-2006 by Colin DIS]


jazzy - 2-2-2006 at 10:32

ah, sol campbell's lovely perfomance. nice....

[Edited on 2-2-2006 by jazzy]


jazzy - 2-2-2006 at 10:59

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 27 1248
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 48 1223
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 33 1168
4 party hard sam leppard 27 1165
5 The Gash Peter Jones 29 1142
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 43 1130
7 The Rats Ed Lugg 33 1106
8 Team Fairy danielle price 43 1105
9 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 33 1060
10 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 27 1047
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 26 1039
12 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 39 1038
13 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 39 1033
14 Ginger FC James Dunmore 37 1021
15 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 32 968
16 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 13 953
17 Big Chin FC sam fuller 29 948
18 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 41 915
19 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 17 876
20 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 31 872
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 28 852


dunnerz - 2-2-2006 at 11:52

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Originally posted by jazzy

ah, sol campbell's lovely perfomance. nice....

[Edited on 2-2-2006 by jazzy]


hope he has got a good tv, because its the only way he is going to watch the world cup this year


Twas a good exciting game last night. I know a whole team is at fault for conceeding a goal, but it is dissapointing when the only experienced player in a make shift defense makes 2 stupid errors

Thing is, its not just those errors - he was at fault for the goals at everton and bolton (again, i know the whole team should be to blame when it gets to a 1 on 1 situation and the defender is beaten - its the lack of effort he seems to be putting in when these situations occur).

Sums up our season - wenger took a risk, hoping that the youth would surivive this season - they have - campbell, gilberto, pires and ljungburg have let us down.



actually - not too annoyed - we showed in the past few games that we are not far away from playing very well again - just got to get some results going our way - its only february - the season ends in may + once we get our defense back, things should be ok.

and - bring on next season - when you got toure, senderos, gilbert, cesc, diaby, flamani, reyes, hleb, rvp - all with the experience of this year behind them.


Spark Tarpauline - 2-2-2006 at 12:00

I was so chuffed you lost, what with our defeat by Fulham, pretty convienient.


Eleanor Conroy - 2-2-2006 at 12:06

ouch. bit of a shocker for me - a transfer needed this week methinks


Mercury Rising - 2-2-2006 at 12:15

Souness has been fired...


jazzy - 2-2-2006 at 12:23

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Originally posted by Mercury Rising

Souness has been fired...


about f**king time! i really, REALLY hate souness.


Spark Tarpauline - 2-2-2006 at 12:26

About bloody time, Greame 'thats a reason not an excuse' Souness


dunnerz - 2-2-2006 at 12:30

dam - there were really good odds on that a few days ago!!

(sorry - should add - yay he is out - i, for some reaon, really dont like him that much)

[Edited on 2/2/2006 by dunnerz]


Eleanor Conroy - 2-2-2006 at 14:53

i just can't believe it's taken this long. Did they really think Michael Owen could turn it all around by himself? And even if he could, they'd still be better off without souness holding them back.

He acts like such a spoilt child and that's not a particularly helpful quality when you're trying to manage people!


jazzy - 2-2-2006 at 15:05

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 27 1248
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 55 1230
3 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 38 1173
4 party hard sam leppard 29 1167
5 The Gash Peter Jones 29 1142
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 51 1138
7 The Rats Ed Lugg 38 1111
8 Team Fairy danielle price 47 1109
9 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 33 1060
10 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 29 1049
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 27 1040
12 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 39 1038
13 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 42 1036
14 Ginger FC James Dunmore 43 1027
15 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 32 968
16 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 14 954
17 Big Chin FC sam fuller 31 950
18 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 49 923
19 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 20 879
20 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 36 877
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 31 855


dunnerz - 2-2-2006 at 16:12

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Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

i just can't believe it's taken this long. Did they really think Michael Owen could turn it all around by himself? And even if he could, they'd still be better off without souness holding them back.

He acts like such a spoilt child and that's not a particularly helpful quality when you're trying to manage people!


they have only scored 2 goals (or something like that) since owen has been out - your right - they cannot put that kind of burden on 1 player - i can understand if it was their excuse for not qualifying for the C.L or something - but they been shit everywhere


i dont think big sam will take the job - not with the possibility of being next england manager - i do think sven could take the job tho


jazzy - 2-2-2006 at 16:16

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Originally posted by dunnerz

they cannot put that kind of burden on 1 player - i can understand if it was their excuse for not qualifying for the C.L or something - but they been shit everywhere


burden on one player? team performing badly? hmm, sounds like a north london team - can't think which one though?


jesus - 2-2-2006 at 19:06

I'm shamelessly nicking this from The Guardian, but from now on if you join up with the lads for a swift half and then go straight home afterwards then you have to refer to it as doing 'a Sol Campbell'.


dunnerz - 3-2-2006 at 08:56

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Originally posted by jesus

I'm shamelessly nicking this from The Guardian, but from now on if you join up with the lads for a swift half and then go straight home afterwards then you have to refer to it as doing 'a Sol Campbell'.


that's quite good



bit worrying about sol - looks like his problems are running a bit deeper than a lack of match fitness


dunnerz - 3-2-2006 at 08:58

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Originally posted by jazzy

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Originally posted by dunnerz

they cannot put that kind of burden on 1 player - i can understand if it was their excuse for not qualifying for the C.L or something - but they been shit everywhere


burden on one player? team performing badly? hmm, sounds like a north london team - can't think which one though?


yeah, spurs do put too much burden on davids


dunnerz - 3-2-2006 at 14:22

regarding sol:

looks like most the rag papers (yes i know i buy then sun, but only a few days a week for the crossword + supergoals) - are going to "out" campbell on sunday.

(if the rumours of the tabloid stories are true - could be completly wrong about the rumoured articles)

i really hope these "sensational" articles dont make the nation (of football fans) look homophobic.


jazzy - 3-2-2006 at 14:46

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Originally posted by dunnerz

regarding sol:

looks like most the rag papers (yes i know i buy then sun, but only a few days a week for the crossword + supergoals) - are going to "out" campbell on sunday.

(if the rumours of the tabloid stories are true - could be completly wrong about the rumoured articles)

i really hope these "sensational" articles dont make the nation (of football fans) look homophobic.


that's the talk on popbitch and other media gossipboards but it may well be utter shite - these stories have been around for ages and i'm sure if they had anything on him, it would have come out earlier.

if it is true though, you have to wonder what else the tabs will do to fuck england's world cup preparations up - hound rooney, lampard and gerrard out of the country? first sven, now this. what good does it do anyone?

having said that, the more likely scenario that he's lost his former glories and relaises that he isn't cut out for professional football any longer. there probably is no press story on him, he just realises he's not cut out for the game any more. hence the walkout on wednesday.

[Edited on 3-2-2006 by jazzy]


dexterpanik - 3-2-2006 at 15:05

dunnerz - don't think you can blame ljungberg, but fair one with reference to all the others.

re souness - he's definitely getting better looking with age isn't he?

re campbell, he doesn't play as well in an unsettled side. that's a fact. i saw the statistics on sky sports news and everything. he's obviously having a crisis of confidence at the moment but if he can sort his head out he can still do job for england at the world cup. he's one of the most complete central defenders i've ever seen play.

and if he's gay, does anyone really give a flying one?


jazzy - 3-2-2006 at 15:19

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Originally posted by dexterpanik

and if he's gay, does anyone really give a flying one?


i can't see it being a problem with the notriously accepting football fans in this country.


Mercury Rising - 3-2-2006 at 15:20

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Originally posted by jazzy

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Originally posted by dexterpanik

and if he's gay, does anyone really give a flying one?


i can't see it being a problem with the notriously accepting football fans in this country.


It might also cause problems with the similarly liberal professional football playing community.


dexterpanik - 3-2-2006 at 15:50

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Originally posted by Mercury Rising

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and if he's gay, does anyone really give a flying one?

i can't see it being a problem with the notriously accepting football fans in this country.

It might also cause problems with the similarly liberal professional football playing community.

i meant on anyone on here. (apart from notorious homophobe jazzy that is.)

obviously you're both right. although i think his club mates at arsenal would be cool with it. but ffs, there ARE gay footballers - just not out ones. people at the clubs must know.

i jusy did an audible fart in the office, but i think i got away with it.


jazzy - 3-2-2006 at 16:09

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Originally posted by dexterpanik

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Originally posted by Mercury Rising

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Originally posted by dexterpanik

and if he's gay, does anyone really give a flying one?

i can't see it being a problem with the notriously accepting football fans in this country.

It might also cause problems with the similarly liberal professional football playing community.

i meant on anyone on here. (apart from notorious homophobe jazzy that is.)

obviously you're both right. although i think his club mates at arsenal would be cool with it. but ffs, there ARE gay footballers - just not out ones. people at the clubs must know.

i jusy did an audible fart in the office, but i think i got away with it.


good work on the fart. let's hope the smell doesn't give you away...

you'd like to think that it wouldn't bother anyone in the game. having been to games though you know the fans wouldn't accept it and the players don't have a reputation for being particularly intelligent or tolerant of these things. anyone remember the robbie fowler/graeme le saux stuff? he's supposed to be one of the cleverer ones...


AntManBee - 3-2-2006 at 16:13

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Originally posted by jazzy

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Originally posted by dexterpanik

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and if he's gay, does anyone really give a flying one?

i can't see it being a problem with the notriously accepting football fans in this country.

It might also cause problems with the similarly liberal professional football playing community.

i meant on anyone on here. (apart from notorious homophobe jazzy that is.)

obviously you're both right. although i think his club mates at arsenal would be cool with it. but ffs, there ARE gay footballers - just not out ones. people at the clubs must know.

i jusy did an audible fart in the office, but i think i got away with it.


good work on the fart. let's hope the smell doesn't give you away...

you'd like to think that it wouldn't bother anyone in the game. having been to games though you know the fans wouldn't accept it and the players don't have a reputation for being particularly intelligent or tolerant of these things. anyone remember the robbie fowler/graeme le saux stuff? he's supposed to be one of the cleverer ones...


It's pathetic really, any kind of abuse is. When Spurs played at West Ham earlier in the season, Mido repeatedly had 'Your mum is a terrorist' chanted at him. It saddens me, it really does.


dexterpanik - 3-2-2006 at 16:15

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Originally posted by jazzy
you'd like to think that it wouldn't bother anyone in the game. having been to games though you know the fans wouldn't accept it and the players don't have a reputation for being particularly intelligent or tolerant of these things. anyone remember the robbie fowler/graeme le saux stuff? he's supposed to be one of the cleverer ones...

i don't think it would bother anyone at arsenal, certainly among the players anyway, but yeah obviously it wouldn't be easy for him outside of that.

the difference for me in terms of the graham le saux business is that graham le saux is a cunt. plus the fact that during the game in which that had happened, he'd repeatedly been elbowing robbie fowler in the head. fowler just used something that he knew would wind him up, which i think was quite funny. the result was that (after shouting 'i can't be gay - i'm married!' [yeah, so was michael barrymore - what's your point?]) le saux elbowed him in the head again.


dunnerz - 3-2-2006 at 16:19

yeah - no one should give an f

but as jazzy said - other fans will use it as an excuse
and why are they (the pappers) trying to stop england doing well this year


good work on the fart - i can't fart in my office - my desk is right by the air conditioning unit - and i discovered, if i do let rip it gets sucked into the air inlet and spreads fast

incidently

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/Jamesgb/Funny/pic06457.jpg

made my chuckle


dunnerz - 3-2-2006 at 16:21

oh yeah

and le-saux is a bit of a cunt

i could torrelate him until he got into commentry/punditry

"grahams analysis" - i have to mute it


jazzy - 3-2-2006 at 16:23

it'd be quite nice to have a young, talented footballer come out and say he's gay and confront the issue head-on. of course there are gay footballers but by covering it up, it ends up becoming a tabloid 'scandal' like the one that allegedly might be happening to campbell on sunday. the footballer would probably get stick but at least the fa might start to work on tackling the problems head on.

as for the fans and racist/homophobic chants - aren't there laws against that sort of thing? i'd like to see more police action taken against the cuntrags who tarnish the game with their abuse.


dunnerz - 3-2-2006 at 16:37

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Originally posted by jazzy

it'd be quite nice to have a young, talented footballer come out and say he's gay and confront the issue head-on. of course there are gay footballers but by covering it up, it ends up becoming a tabloid 'scandal' like the one that allegedly might be happening to campbell on sunday. the footballer would probably get stick but at least the fa might start to work on tackling the problems head on.

as for the fans and racist/homophobic chants - aren't there laws against that sort of thing? i'd like to see more police action taken against the cuntrags who tarnish the game with their abuse.



cant agree with you more
like a few years ago, there was the rumour "scandle" from micheal owens past, they he paid millions to keep quiet.

again - i agree with u - football alomst needs someone to 'come out' - not make an issue of it as such, and stop the media from being so annoying.

i know racist chants are against the law - not sure about homophoic - but if not, they should be.

just out of interest, where you have to draw the line with homophoic chants - would "get up you poof" count?


jazzy - 3-2-2006 at 16:39

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Originally posted by dunnerz

just out of interest, where you have to draw the line with homophoic chants - would "get up you poof" count?


well it's homophobic isn't it? what is in a straight man's genetics that mean he's less likely to get injured than a gay man?

saying 'get up you poof' is socially more acceptable than saying 'get up you paki' but it isn't any more or less right...

[Edited on 3-2-2006 by jazzy]


jesus - 3-2-2006 at 16:45

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Originally posted by jazzy

as for the fans and racist/homophobic chants - aren't there laws against that sort of thing? i'd like to see more police action taken against the cuntrags who tarnish the game with their abuse.


I was under the impression that racist chants were classed as incitement to religious hatred, which there's a specific law for. I don't think there's any law against inciting homophobia, but I could be wrong.

Incidentally, I really wanted to use the phrase 'sexual hatred' in that last sentence, but it doesn't really work. Still, good name for a song I reckon.

Another thing is that I tend to assume British people are a wee bit more homophobic than other nationalities, in which case Sol would be OK with the other Arsenal players because none of them are British. Except Theo Walcott, and he's only 16 so he's probably a bit confused about all that anyway.


dunnerz - 3-2-2006 at 16:51

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Originally posted by jesus

Except Theo Walcott


and ashley cole, kerrea gilbert, hoyte (out on loan), smith (out on loan) i could go on and name quite a few british players from the reserves if you want?

it really bugs me when people think its cool to highlight arsenals lack of english players - like, er, so what.

shall we add xenophobia on the list of things that are bad about football?


[Edited on 3/2/2006 by dunnerz]


dunnerz - 3-2-2006 at 16:55

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Originally posted by jazzy

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Originally posted by dunnerz

just out of interest, where you have to draw the line with homophoic chants - would "get up you poof" count?


well it's homophobic isn't it? what is in a straight man's genetics that mean he's less likely to get injured than a gay man?

saying 'get up you poof' is socially more acceptable than saying 'get up you paki' but it isn't any more or less right...

[Edited on 3-2-2006 by jazzy]



yeah - very good point

actually - i was using the word poof as an example - i actually think the word now has no sexual preference to it - just aimed at anyone who takes too much time over their appearnce - but yeah - it still isn't any less correct i suppose!


jesus - 3-2-2006 at 17:08

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Originally posted by dunnerz

and ashley cole, kerrea gilbert, hoyte (out on loan), smith (out on loan) i could go on and name quite a few british players from the reserves if you want?

it really bugs me when people think its cool to highlight arsenals lack of english players - like, er, so what.

shall we add xenophobia on the list of things that are bad about football?


Who's being xenophobic...anyway, I was kind of joking. I can't really see why it would bug you that much, but Arsenal DO have a severe lack of British players. Whether or not that's important is a whole other issue...

Fair enough on Ashley Cole though, I forgot about him. He's obviously been out for too long.

As for the poof/paki thing, I think it's a bit naive to say that they're equivalent. Poof seems like quite a jokey word, whereas paki has pretty nasty connotations. It's like the N-word, it's worse because of its history.


dunnerz - 3-2-2006 at 17:19

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Originally posted by jesus

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Originally posted by dunnerz

and ashley cole, kerrea gilbert, hoyte (out on loan), smith (out on loan) i could go on and name quite a few british players from the reserves if you want?

it really bugs me when people think its cool to highlight arsenals lack of english players - like, er, so what.

shall we add xenophobia on the list of things that are bad about football?


Who's being xenophobic...anyway, I was kind of joking. I can't really see why it would bug you that much, but Arsenal DO have a severe lack of British players. Whether or not that's important is a whole other issue...

Fair enough on Ashley Cole though, I forgot about him. He's obviously been out for too long.

As for the poof/paki thing, I think it's a bit naive to say that they're equivalent. Poof seems like quite a jokey word, whereas paki has pretty nasty connotations. It's like the N-word, it's worse because of its history.


sorry - wasnt implying you are - but the amount of opposing fans who come to highbury and start chanting "england, england, etc" grrrr

injuries aside, we had 3 regular english players - (cole, campbell, hoyte - hoyte is now out on loan) - not to mention many in the reserves.

with walcott, and the emergance of gilbert, we now have 4

the liverpool european cup winning team (last season) only had 2 english players on the pitch
no-one made a who har about that

chlesea - terry, lampard, cole - regulars - who else (SWP - gone missing )


arsenal have produced a lot of english players through the youth ranks (ok, not as many as west ham) - but they were just not up to the standard for arsenal (bently, jeffers, upson, taylor, stack, etc. just to name a few)

it's not important - and its not worth highlighting


Colin DIS - 3-2-2006 at 17:25

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

arsenal have produced a lot of english players through the youth ranks (ok, not as many as west ham) - but they were just not up to the standard for arsenal (bently, jeffers, upson, taylor, stack, etc. just to name a few)


That is just a flat out lie. Firstly, Jeffers was bought from Everton & Matt Upson was signed from Luton. Arsenal are dreadful at producing their own talent because they know they can buy it from elsewhere.


dunnerz - 3-2-2006 at 17:31

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

arsenal have produced a lot of english players through the youth ranks (ok, not as many as west ham) - but they were just not up to the standard for arsenal (bently, jeffers, upson, taylor, stack, etc. just to name a few)


That is just a flat out lie. Firstly, Jeffers was bought from Everton & Matt Upson was signed from Luton. Arsenal are dreadful at producing their own talent because they know they can buy it from elsewhere.


ok - sorry - in my rush of writing that, it came out wrong - we have given english youth a chance


ok, from grass routes up - i.e. under 16 we are not very good at producing youth - but spotting emerging young (as in 18-20) players, developing them for a couple of years, then letting them loose in the first team - we do alot

(vieria and henry were unknow, young (20ish) players when they joined)

anway - not as dreadful as spurs, chelsea, man u, just to name a couple.


jazzy - 3-2-2006 at 17:46

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Originally posted by jesus

As for the poof/paki thing, I think it's a bit naive to say that they're equivalent. Poof seems like quite a jokey word, whereas paki has pretty nasty connotations. It's like the N-word, it's worse because of its history.


it's jokey at gay people, the same way that paki is jokey at asian people. it's one and the same, juts social conventions would have you believe otherwise


Eleanor Conroy - 3-2-2006 at 17:53

after all the abuse i used to suffer as a chelsea fan, i find it quite funny how many arsenal fans have had to eat their words about foreign players! Having said that, i've never seen it as a problem. if you're not good enough to compete against the best players in the world, you shouldn't be in the england side anyway and i think it improves the quality of the premiership and thus the preparation of the english players in it.

i'm not sure peter was being xenophobic, he was arguing that foreigners are more tolerant than brits!

as far as i'm aware, there's no law against verbal homophobic abuse, but the FA should really be making an effort to get it out of football - fans should be thrown out of the stadium, players red-carded. i don't see why it should be any more acceptable than racism. i wish more gay players would come out and fight it, but in the current climate you can see why they're reluctant.


jazzy - 3-2-2006 at 17:55

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Originally posted by dunnerz

ok - sorry - in my rush of writing that, it came out wrong - we have given english youth a chance


ok, from grass routes up - i.e. under 16 we are not very good at producing youth - but spotting emerging young (as in 18-20) players, developing them for a couple of years, then letting them loose in the first team - we do alot

(vieria and henry were unknow, young (20ish) players when they joined)

anway - not as dreadful as spurs, chelsea, man u, just to name a couple.


sorry to be picky, but....

viera is an unknown. i'll give you that one. but henry was bought for almost £11 million and had played for monaco and juventus, he wasn't an unknown.

and man utd (much as it pains me to say it) are very good at bringing young talent through. their team in the last decade or so has seen the following home grown (real home grown as opposed to buying young players) players - gary neville, phil neville, john o'shea, wes brown, david beckham, kieran richardson, nicky butt, darren fletcher, ryan giggs and paul scholes.

chelsea have brought john terry, carlton cole and jody morris through (not too hot). spurs have brought through sol campbell, ledley king, stephen carr, stephen kelly and a few others i've forgotten about (because they weren't that good probably!)

in the same period, arsenal have brought ashley cole through their ranks.


jazzy - 3-2-2006 at 17:57

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Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

after all the abuse i used to suffer as a chelsea fan, i find it quite funny how many arsenal fans have had to eat their words about foreign players! Having said that, i've never seen it as a problem. if you're not good enough to compete against the best players in the world, you shouldn't be in the england side anyway and i think it improves the quality of the premiership and thus the preparation of the english players in it.



that's rubbish. sorry. the top english teams should be producing young english talent. there is a very clear gap in the england setup at the moment of players under 23, rooney and downing aside. we'll be struggling in the next five or ten years when the current 'golden generation' are well into their thirties.

the problem is that all the money in the game is based around europe and the top clubs are neglecting their duty to maintaining the english game through short term gain, big money signings so they can chase the european dream.

we'll pay for it eventually.

[Edited on 3-2-2006 by jazzy]


clarkogir - 3-2-2006 at 18:02

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Originally posted by dunnerz

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

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Originally posted by dunnerz

arsenal have produced a lot of english players through the youth ranks (ok, not as many as west ham) - but they were just not up to the standard for arsenal (bently, jeffers, upson, taylor, stack, etc. just to name a few)


That is just a flat out lie. Firstly, Jeffers was bought from Everton & Matt Upson was signed from Luton. Arsenal are dreadful at producing their own talent because they know they can buy it from elsewhere.


ok - sorry - in my rush of writing that, it came out wrong - we have given english youth a chance


ok, from grass routes up - i.e. under 16 we are not very good at producing youth - but spotting emerging young (as in 18-20) players, developing them for a couple of years, then letting them loose in the first team - we do alot

(vieria and henry were unknow, young (20ish) players when they joined)

anway - not as dreadful as spurs, chelsea, man u, just to name a couple.


are you being serious? your actually saying man utd havent produced good youth players, they practically produced the back bone of the England team in recent years, a vast majority may not be there anymore but still Gary Neville, Phil Neville, Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt, David Beckham, as well as numerous other players, plus those that have come through the youth ranks and are still in the utd first team, i.e. Giggs.


jesus - 3-2-2006 at 19:15

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Originally posted by jazzy

it's jokey at gay people, the same way that paki is jokey at asian people. it's one and the same, juts social conventions would have you believe otherwise


Hmmm...well, based on my experience with gay and asian people (which I'll admit straight off is less than extensive), I'd expect a far worse response if I (even jokingly) called an asian guy a paki than if I called a gay bloke a poof. The word 'paki' has REALLY bad connotations, to me at least.


dunnerz - 5-2-2006 at 19:01

yes - sorry - in my rush of writing before finishing work on friday, saying that man u and spurs do not have a good youth policy is blatently wrong

one of those thinking about trying to say something, and typing something completly different


Mercury Rising - 6-2-2006 at 09:07

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Originally posted by jazzy

it'd be quite nice to have a young, talented footballer come out and say he's gay



Grooming.


dunnerz - 9-2-2006 at 12:19

so who is going to see colchester at the bridge then!

could be the upset of the cup


Colin DIS - 9-2-2006 at 13:34

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Originally posted by dunnerz

so who is going to see colchester at the bridge then!

could be the upset of the cup


£25 a pop for home fans. I am gonna waste my £25 elsewhere on a bet that Real Madrid get through to the final of the Spanish Cup despite the thrashing they got last night.

[Edited on 9-2-2006 by Colin DIS]


dunnerz - 9-2-2006 at 14:01

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

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Originally posted by dunnerz

so who is going to see colchester at the bridge then!

could be the upset of the cup


£25 a pop for home fans. I am gonna waste my £25 elsewhere on a bet that Real Madrid get through to the final of the Spanish Cup despite the thrashing they got last night.

[Edited on 9-2-2006 by Colin DIS]


£25 is half price - ish

[Edited on 9/2/2006 by dunnerz]


Colin DIS - 9-2-2006 at 14:36

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Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

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Originally posted by dunnerz

so who is going to see colchester at the bridge then!

could be the upset of the cup


£25 a pop for home fans. I am gonna waste my £25 elsewhere on a bet that Real Madrid get through to the final of the Spanish Cup despite the thrashing they got last night.

[Edited on 9-2-2006 by Colin DIS]


£25 is half price - ish

[Edited on 9/2/2006 by dunnerz]


Yeah, but I think the result is a forgone conclusion so would rather bet on another outsider. Also the thought of giving my money to Colchester United is a bit of a kicker.


dexterpanik - 9-2-2006 at 15:00

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Originally posted by jazzy

gary neville, phil neville, john o'shea, wes brown, david beckham, kieran richardson, nicky butt, darren fletcher, ryan giggs and paul scholes.

luke chadwick, robbie savage, lee sharp...


jazzy - 9-2-2006 at 15:14

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Originally posted by dexterpanik

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Originally posted by jazzy

gary neville, phil neville, john o'shea, wes brown, david beckham, kieran richardson, nicky butt, darren fletcher, ryan giggs and paul scholes.

luke chadwick, robbie savage, lee sharp...


lee sharpe was brilliant back in the day. the day being the one before he boozed his talent away. luke chadwick is just shite and doesn't count. as for savage....


Colin DIS - 9-2-2006 at 15:33

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Originally posted by dexterpanik

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

gary neville, phil neville, john o'shea, wes brown, david beckham, kieran richardson, nicky butt, darren fletcher, ryan giggs and paul scholes.

luke chadwick, robbie savage, lee sharp...


Mark Bosnich as well.


Eleanor Conroy - 9-2-2006 at 16:14

i've always hated robbie savage anyway, having no idea about the man u connection - now i hate him even more!


i am sam - 9-2-2006 at 16:19

the chairwoman of colchester united was just on tv being interviewed about the chelsea game and said:

"i've had a word with phil parkinson and we're going to have to do some training at the local recreation ground, because we're used to a a quality pitch at layer road."

that amused me no end.


dexterpanik - 9-2-2006 at 16:25

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Originally posted by jazzy

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Originally posted by dexterpanik

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Originally posted by jazzy

gary neville, phil neville, john o'shea, wes brown, david beckham, kieran richardson, nicky butt, darren fletcher, ryan giggs and paul scholes.

luke chadwick, robbie savage, lee sharp...

lee sharpe was brilliant back in the day. the day being the one before he boozed his talent away. luke chadwick is just shite and doesn't count. as for savage....

sharp wasn't that good. he was fast - that was about it. he does have good hair though.


dunnerz - 9-2-2006 at 16:52

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

i've always hated robbie savage anyway, having no idea about the man u connection - now i hate him even more!


ditto


dunnerz - 9-2-2006 at 16:52

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

the chairwoman of colchester united was just on tv being interviewed about the chelsea game and said:

"i've had a word with phil parkinson and we're going to have to do some training at the local recreation ground, because we're used to a a quality pitch at layer road."

that amused me no end.


that is qutie funny.

i bet chelsea were hoping that they played at layer road, probably a better pitch


Eleanor Conroy - 9-2-2006 at 21:27

it is getting a bit ridiculous - you'd think we could just buy a good groundskeeper!


Colin DIS - 10-2-2006 at 08:37

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Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

it is getting a bit ridiculous - you'd think we could just buy a good groundskeeper!


We have the best groundskeeper in Div 1. Result!


dunnerz - 10-2-2006 at 09:08

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

it is getting a bit ridiculous - you'd think we could just buy a good groundskeeper!


yeah - your pitch has been a problem for a while.

mind u - they did say they have compounded problems in the past by relaying mid-season, which apparntly doesn't give next seasons pitch time to bed properly - hence why it is buggered again now - and why they are not relaying this season - fresh pitch or something.


im going to be interested to see if our ground keeper can keep best pitch award in the new stadium - apparntly they did a lot of work in working out the angles of the top of the stadium with the angle of the sun throughought the season (blah blah blah) in order to get it best possible sun light, and all that stuff


Colin DIS - 14-2-2006 at 22:31

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

so who is going to see colchester at the bridge then!

could be the upset of the cup


£25 a pop for home fans. I am gonna waste my £25 elsewhere on a bet that Real Madrid get through to the final of the Spanish Cup despite the thrashing they got last night.


27 minutes gone, 3-0 Real Madrid. I could see it happening too. Wish I had put that bet on now.


dunnerz - 15-2-2006 at 10:24

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

so who is going to see colchester at the bridge then!

could be the upset of the cup


£25 a pop for home fans. I am gonna waste my £25 elsewhere on a bet that Real Madrid get through to the final of the Spanish Cup despite the thrashing they got last night.


27 minutes gone, 3-0 Real Madrid. I could see it happening too. Wish I had put that bet on now.



doh - yeah that would have been a good one!


i can't believe arsenals season - last night summed it up for me really.

still - if we can raise our game against Real next tuesday, it will be a good match

they will beat us away - we could possibly beat them at highbury - but they will more than likely win on goal difference/away goal. As long as we score 1 away goal, dont get trashed, I'll be happy!


jesus - 15-2-2006 at 12:47

Look at this headline, isn't it funny.


jazzy - 15-2-2006 at 12:55

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Originally posted by jesus

Look at this headline, isn't it funny.


ah, the poor ginger pele. v.good headline too


Colin DIS - 15-2-2006 at 13:21

Ginger Pele? Perry Grooves?


dunnerz - 15-2-2006 at 14:14

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Originally posted by jesus

Look at this headline, isn't it funny.


brilliant headline


Colin DIS - 6-3-2006 at 11:50

McCarthy sacked. Despite Sunderland being bottom I did not see that one coming. Hope he gets another job soon because he is one of the better managers in football.


Colin DIS - 6-3-2006 at 11:52

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 25 1440
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 40 1417
3 party hard sam leppard 37 1357
4 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 19 1322
5 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 17 1317
6 The Gash Peter Jones 16 1311
7 The Rats Ed Lugg 25 1297
8 Team Fairy danielle price 24 1263
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 39 1250
10 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 28 1218
11 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 25 1218
12 Ginger FC James Dunmore 35 1205
13 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 28 1202
14 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 19 1148
15 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 42 1125
16 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 32 1124
17 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 21 1117
18 Big Chin FC sam fuller 34 1113
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 40 1063
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 17 1008
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 6 939


jazzy - 6-3-2006 at 11:55

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

McCarthy sacked. Despite Sunderland being bottom I did not see that one coming. Hope he gets another job soon because he is one of the better managers in football.


what chance did he have at sunderland? they gave him £5 million to survice in the premiership with a squad that is worse than the one that got relegated last time around. big shame...


dunnerz - 6-3-2006 at 12:12

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Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

McCarthy sacked. Despite Sunderland being bottom I did not see that one coming. Hope he gets another job soon because he is one of the better managers in football.


what chance did he have at sunderland? they gave him £5 million to survice in the premiership with a squad that is worse than the one that got relegated last time around. big shame...


i agree ... although you would hope for a few more than 10 points. also what message does that give to the fans and players - forget the rest of this season its a waste of time. They were going down - but still had a chance of finishing off of the bottom.

outside england chance? he did okay with ireland


jazzy - 6-3-2006 at 12:23

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

McCarthy sacked. Despite Sunderland being bottom I did not see that one coming. Hope he gets another job soon because he is one of the better managers in football.


what chance did he have at sunderland? they gave him £5 million to survice in the premiership with a squad that is worse than the one that got relegated last time around. big shame...


i agree ... although you would hope for a few more than 10 points. also what message does that give to the fans and players - forget the rest of this season its a waste of time. They were going down - but still had a chance of finishing off of the bottom.

outside england chance? he did okay with ireland


possibly but i doubt they'd go for him. anyway, o'neill, pearce, allardyce or curbishley would be a better option.


dexterpanik - 6-3-2006 at 12:29

i think the mick mccarthy for england suggestion is daft. there's no way england will go for a manager who has got relegated twice in three seasons. who next - gary megson? plus, mccarthy is very much an irishman, as you can tell from his thick yorkshire accent.


dunnerz - 6-3-2006 at 12:43

yeah my suggestion was a bit daft, but i still recon his name will be in the running


colin - fantasy footy - i'm closing in on ya !


i am sam - 6-3-2006 at 13:42

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Originally posted by dunnerz

yeah my suggestion was a bit daft, but i still recon his name will be in the running


colin - fantasy footy - i'm closing in on ya !


i can't believe i finally remembered to change my captain back to lampard and then he was injured. the fucker.

still the thierry henry/ robbie keane strike partnership i have bailed me out of having a dismal week.


Colin DIS - 6-3-2006 at 13:51

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

yeah my suggestion was a bit daft, but i still recon his name will be in the running


colin - fantasy footy - i'm closing in on ya !


There is more chance of you blinding me with one of your brilliant runs than beating me this season

I think McCarthy may bide his time to see who DOES get the England job. If it is Curbishley or Allardyce I can see him walking in to Bolton or Charlton. Although part of me seems him going to Millwall....


dunnerz - 6-3-2006 at 14:49

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

yeah my suggestion was a bit daft, but i still recon his name will be in the running


colin - fantasy footy - i'm closing in on ya !


There is more chance of you blinding me with one of your brilliant runs than beating me this season


okay - you can give up being jelious of my (directionless) pace (which I have to say, was quite slow compared to what I used to be)


dunnerz - 6-3-2006 at 14:49

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS


I think McCarthy may bide his time to see who DOES get the England job. If it is Curbishley or Allardyce I can see him walking in to Bolton or Charlton. Although part of me seems him going to Millwall....


yeah - that sounds the more likely option.


TC - 6-3-2006 at 15:20

Quote:
Originally posted by dexterpanik

i think the mick mccarthy for england suggestion is daft. there's no way england will go for a manager who has got relegated twice in three seasons. who next - gary megson? plus, mccarthy is very much an irishman, as you can tell from his thick yorkshire accent.


i think your argument is slightly flawed and a bit misleading; for one the first relegation looked pretty likely before he reached the club, and the club had already got through 2 managers that season, and secondly for the reasons already mentioned they looked pretty doomed this season from the start. yes they did well in the championship last year, but then he wasn't able to make the adjustments needed to make them a premier force too.


Mercury Rising - 6-3-2006 at 15:22

Quote:
Originally posted by TC

Quote:
Originally posted by dexterpanik

i think the mick mccarthy for england suggestion is daft. there's no way england will go for a manager who has got relegated twice in three seasons. who next - gary megson? plus, mccarthy is very much an irishman, as you can tell from his thick yorkshire accent.


i think your argument is slightly flawed and a bit misleading; for one the first relegation looked pretty likely before he reached the club, and the club had already got through 2 managers that season, and secondly for the reasons already mentioned they looked pretty doomed this season from the start. yes they did well in the championship last year, but then he wasn't able to make the adjustments needed to make them a premier force too.


But there's no question about it, it's still a daft suggestion.


dunnerz - 6-3-2006 at 15:31

Quote:
Originally posted by Mercury Rising

Quote:
Originally posted by TC

Quote:
Originally posted by dexterpanik

i think the mick mccarthy for england suggestion is daft. there's no way england will go for a manager who has got relegated twice in three seasons. who next - gary megson? plus, mccarthy is very much an irishman, as you can tell from his thick yorkshire accent.


i think your argument is slightly flawed and a bit misleading; for one the first relegation looked pretty likely before he reached the club, and the club had already got through 2 managers that season, and secondly for the reasons already mentioned they looked pretty doomed this season from the start. yes they did well in the championship last year, but then he wasn't able to make the adjustments needed to make them a premier force too.


But there's no question about it, it's still a daft suggestion.


yeah, i did miss the when i orgionally posted that


TC - 6-3-2006 at 15:34

yeah he wouldn't be my first choice for manager, but he could be useful as an interim figure or something. you never know, he could do the business.

i reckon sunderland's woes are down to incompetent and over-ambitious leadership - trying to be a huge club when its going to be really difficult for them to be just an average premier force even. what we are seeing is a great example of what happens when a team with a smallish ground and fiercely passionate support in a poor area builds a massive new state-of-the-art stadium with ticket prices few can afford. the ground is greatly under-filled most of the time, they can't afford the best players and they are saddled with debt from the investment. the team doesn't do very well, and even less people turn up. a vicious cycle. plus the intensity and intimidation of the crowd is lost, the atmosphere is appalling, and rather than being a fortress it just looks embarrassing - partly explaining their diabolical record.

[Edited on 6-3-2006 by TC]


Mercury Rising - 6-3-2006 at 15:36

I'd still like it to be Pearce. I know he's new to club management but the national manager's job is very different to that anyway and I think our rather nice qualifying group for the next Europeans would be a good learning curve for him. He'd be great.


dunnerz - 6-3-2006 at 15:42

Quote:
Originally posted by TC

they can't afford the best players and they are saddled with debt from the investment. the team doesn't do very well

[Edited on 6-3-2006 by TC]



marcathy had the same budget as west ham and wigan - he was just a bit unlucky with his purchases (the fact that none of his stickers can find the back of the net is a start)


Colin DIS - 6-3-2006 at 15:51

Quote:
Originally posted by Mercury Rising

I'd still like it to be Pearce. I know he's new to club management but the national manager's job is very different to that anyway and I think our rather nice qualifying group for the next Europeans would be a good learning curve for him. He'd be great.


No he wouldn't. He can't hack pressure management. Look at the balls up at Forest (everyone seems to have forgotten that) or the end of season fiasco when the UEFA cup place looked to be up for grabs. He is a future Engand amnager, just not this time around.


Colin DIS - 6-3-2006 at 15:52

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by TC

they can't afford the best players and they are saddled with debt from the investment. the team doesn't do very well

[Edited on 6-3-2006 by TC]



marcathy had the same budget as west ham and wigan - he was just a bit unlucky with his purchases (the fact that none of his stickers can find the back of the net is a start)


Not true. Wigan and West Ham were not told THIS SEASON that they had to sell before they could buy anyone. That was the case with Sunderland.


dunnerz - 6-3-2006 at 15:54

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by TC

they can't afford the best players and they are saddled with debt from the investment. the team doesn't do very well

[Edited on 6-3-2006 by TC]


marcathy had the same budget as west ham and wigan - he was just a bit unlucky with his purchases (the fact that none of his stickers can find the back of the net is a start)


Not true. Wigan and West Ham were not told THIS SEASON that they had to sell before they could buy anyone. That was the case with Sunderland.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sunderland/4778844.stm

i know it says does say probably


dexterpanik - 6-3-2006 at 16:14

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i think the mick mccarthy for england suggestion is daft. there's no way england will go for a manager who has got relegated twice in three seasons. who next - gary megson? plus, mccarthy is very much an irishman, as you can tell from his thick yorkshire accent.

i think your argument is slightly flawed and a bit misleading; for one the first relegation looked pretty likely before he reached the club, and the club had already got through 2 managers that season, and secondly for the reasons already mentioned they looked pretty doomed this season from the start. yes they did well in the championship last year, but then he wasn't able to make the adjustments needed to make them a premier force too.

that's as maybe, but the fact of the matter is that the FA are all about image and it would not look good or like a step forward if they lose sven and bring someone in who, regardless of how much money he did or didn't have, ultimately was not successful in the premier league. i'm not sayoing it's right, i'm just saying it definitely wouldn't happen!


dexterpanik - 6-3-2006 at 16:21

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I'd still like it to be Pearce. I know he's new to club management but the national manager's job is very different to that anyway and I think our rather nice qualifying group for the next Europeans would be a good learning curve for him. He'd be great.

No he wouldn't. He can't hack pressure management. Look at the balls up at Forest (everyone seems to have forgotten that) or the end of season fiasco when the UEFA cup place looked to be up for grabs.

re forest, he took over as caretaker with no management experience and wasn't doing too badly until harry fucking bassett came in. (first match in charge was against arsenal - they came out to god save the queen [sex pistols, not the national anthem] and then alfie haaland scored both goals in a 2-1 win. to make the situation even better i was sat in the stand next to my arsenal-supporting brother. great times. then we got relegated. bugger.)

re man city last season, he'd already done very well to get them to the point he did. given it was his first proper taste of premiership management he did a fine job.

that said, i agree with colin that he's not ready to be england manager yet. i'm still firmly in the allardyce camp. although i wouldn't mind if martin o'neill got it.


Colin DIS - 6-3-2006 at 16:29

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Originally posted by dexterpanik

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

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Originally posted by Mercury Rising

I'd still like it to be Pearce. I know he's new to club management but the national manager's job is very different to that anyway and I think our rather nice qualifying group for the next Europeans would be a good learning curve for him. He'd be great.

No he wouldn't. He can't hack pressure management. Look at the balls up at Forest (everyone seems to have forgotten that) or the end of season fiasco when the UEFA cup place looked to be up for grabs.

re forest, he took over as caretaker with no management experience and wasn't doing too badly until harry fucking bassett came in. (first match in charge was against arsenal - they came out to god save the queen [sex pistols, not the national anthem] and then alfie haaland scored both goals in a 2-1 win. to make the situation even better i was sat in the stand next to my arsenal-supporting brother. great times. then we got relegated. bugger.)

re man city last season, he'd already done very well to get them to the point he did. given it was his first proper taste of premiership management he did a fine job.

that said, i agree with colin that he's not ready to be england manager yet. i'm still firmly in the allardyce camp. although i wouldn't mind if martin o'neill got it.


Mistaken what I have said. I didn't say he was a bad manager, I said he can't hack pressure and gave 2 examples of the point in question. See also Kevin Keegan. I think it will be Allardyce or O'Neill (wife dependant)

[Edited on 6-3-2006 by Colin DIS]


i am sam - 6-3-2006 at 17:04

as much as i don't think mick mccarthy is a bad manager really (and it seems really retarded sacking him now, rather than say at christmas) when he took over sunderland he played 10 games in the premiership and won none. this season i think he played coming up to 30 and won 2. so that's an entire premiership season in his career and two wins. legendary.


jesus - 6-3-2006 at 17:07

Why is Scolari not in the running? I must have missed the news the day he dropped off the list.


dexterpanik - 6-3-2006 at 17:13

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Mistaken what I have said. I didn't say he was a bad manager, I said he can't hack pressure and gave 2 examples of the point in question. See also Kevin Keegan. I think it will be Allardyce or O'Neill (wife dependant)

mistaken what i have said - i was suggesting that he can take pressure. he can't be blamed for forest because he wasn't really in charge, and in terms of man city last season i think it was far more a case of the players not being able to hack the pressure than their manager.


TC - 6-3-2006 at 17:34

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as much as i don't think mick mccarthy is a bad manager really (and it seems really retarded sacking him now, rather than say at christmas) when he took over sunderland he played 10 games in the premiership and won none. this season i think he played coming up to 30 and won 2. so that's an entire premiership season in his career and two wins. legendary.


again though this is slightly problematic because he was basically playing a championship side in the premier league. his recored is probably similar to that of a team playing higher league teams in the fa cup. out of 30-odd games luton would probably win 2 or 3 and get some draws but mainly lose. this is what has happened to sunderland's team - only they have been playing better opposition week in week out, not just as a 3rd round treat in january.


RadioEd - 6-3-2006 at 18:53

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as much as i don't think mick mccarthy is a bad manager really (and it seems really retarded sacking him now, rather than say at christmas) when he took over sunderland he played 10 games in the premiership and won none. this season i think he played coming up to 30 and won 2. so that's an entire premiership season in his career and two wins. legendary.


again though this is slightly problematic because he was basically playing a championship side in the premier league. his recored is probably similar to that of a team playing higher league teams in the fa cup. out of 30-odd games luton would probably win 2 or 3 and get some draws but mainly lose. this is what has happened to sunderland's team - only they have been playing better opposition week in week out, not just as a 3rd round treat in january.



sunderland have had an atrocious season. playing a "championship side" in the premiership is no excuse - you only have to look at wigan to see how a fit squad of motivated players can get promoted and do well. mccarthy should have had a sit down with his board, and demanded extra transfer funds be made available to ensure survival. sunderland are a hugely popular team in the north east, and have one of the country's biggest stadiums. any available funds should have been used to buy top players, rather than john stead, nyron nosworthy, danny collins, and alan stubbs. i'll be pleased to see them go down, it's no fun watching teams get trounced week in week out!

the day mick gets the england job'll be the day i turn my allegiance to belgium.


TC - 6-3-2006 at 19:56

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as much as i don't think mick mccarthy is a bad manager really (and it seems really retarded sacking him now, rather than say at christmas) when he took over sunderland he played 10 games in the premiership and won none. this season i think he played coming up to 30 and won 2. so that's an entire premiership season in his career and two wins. legendary.


again though this is slightly problematic because he was basically playing a championship side in the premier league. his recored is probably similar to that of a team playing higher league teams in the fa cup. out of 30-odd games luton would probably win 2 or 3 and get some draws but mainly lose. this is what has happened to sunderland's team - only they have been playing better opposition week in week out, not just as a 3rd round treat in january.



sunderland have had an atrocious season. playing a "championship side" in the premiership is no excuse - you only have to look at wigan to see how a fit squad of motivated players can get promoted and do well. mccarthy should have had a sit down with his board, and demanded extra transfer funds be made available to ensure survival. sunderland are a hugely popular team in the north east, and Text. any available funds should have been used to buy top players, rather than john stead, nyron nosworthy, danny collins, and alan stubbs. i'll be pleased to see them go down, it's no fun watching teams get trounced week in week out!

the day mick gets the england job'll be the day i turn my allegiance to belgium.


yeah, but as i sort of said earlier, having a big ground is all well and good if you can fill it.

plus wigan did spend, and bought some premier-league calibre players, such as de ziew


dunnerz - 6-3-2006 at 22:06

sorry - money does not come into it

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sunderland/4778608.stm

mccarthy just had bad luck with his signings.


RadioEd - 7-3-2006 at 01:12

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sorry - money does not come into it

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sunderland/4778608.stm

mccarthy just had bad luck with his signings.


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Sunderland signed 12 players last summer after winning promotion back to the Premiership - including two on loan - for a conservative £4.25m.

But Wigan and West Ham also overhauled their squads in the summer, and without breaking the bank.

Hammers boss Alan Pardew spent £4.8m on nine players before the season began, while Wigan manager Paul Jewell brought in 11 players for £5.95m.


[Edited on 7-3-2006 by RadioEd]


dunnerz - 7-3-2006 at 09:00

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sorry - money does not come into it

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sunderland/4778608.stm

mccarthy just had bad luck with his signings.


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Originally posted by BBC Football


Sunderland signed 12 players last summer after winning promotion back to the Premiership - including two on loan - for a conservative £4.25m.

But Wigan and West Ham also overhauled their squads in the summer, and without breaking the bank.

Hammers boss Alan Pardew spent £4.8m on nine players before the season began, while Wigan manager Paul Jewell brought in 11 players for £5.95m.


[Edited on 7-3-2006 by RadioEd]



exactly - sunderland bought more players for a simliar amount - sorrt but in premiership terms you'd say the "same amount" if the difference is no more than a million


jazzy - 7-3-2006 at 10:04

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I'd still like it to be Pearce. I know he's new to club management but the national manager's job is very different to that anyway and I think our rather nice qualifying group for the next Europeans would be a good learning curve for him. He'd be great.


No he wouldn't. He can't hack pressure management. Look at the balls up at Forest (everyone seems to have forgotten that) or the end of season fiasco when the UEFA cup place looked to be up for grabs. He is a future Engand amnager, just not this time around.


the balls up at forest was when he had half a season's worth of coaching experience under his belt and he was working with another man's players. blaming him for that is grossly unfair.


jazzy - 7-3-2006 at 10:14

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what we are seeing is a great example of what happens when a team with a smallish ground and fiercely passionate support in a poor area builds a massive new state-of-the-art stadium with ticket prices few can afford. the ground is greatly under-filled most of the time
, they can't afford the best players and they are saddled with debt from the investment. the team doesn't do very well, and even less people turn up. a vicious cycle. plus the intensity and intimidation of the crowd is lost, the atmosphere is appalling, and rather than being a fortress it just looks embarrassing - partly explaining their diabolical record.

[Edited on 6-3-2006 by TC]


actually, the stadium isn't the reason for the problems. a lot of the money came from external sources and when they were doing well under peter reid, the stadium was packed week in week out. in fact the only reason they were doing well under reid was because of the stadium and the funds it generated for talented players. also, the stadium of light when full in known for being an intimidating ground. the problems lie with poor management on the pitch, not off it. reid, wilkinson and, to a lesser extent, mccarthy, have all bought poor players and have failed to motivate the squad they are in posession of. obviously the chairman should have made contingtency plans for relegation the first time around but when the club had been flirting with europe the season before it probably wasn't in his mind. so one bad judgement has left sunderland in the position they are in today.


Colin DIS - 7-3-2006 at 10:20

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Originally posted by jazzy

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I'd still like it to be Pearce. I know he's new to club management but the national manager's job is very different to that anyway and I think our rather nice qualifying group for the next Europeans would be a good learning curve for him. He'd be great.


No he wouldn't. He can't hack pressure management. Look at the balls up at Forest (everyone seems to have forgotten that) or the end of season fiasco when the UEFA cup place looked to be up for grabs. He is a future Engand amnager, just not this time around.


the balls up at forest was when he had half a season's worth of coaching experience under his belt and he was working with another man's players. blaming him for that is grossly unfair.


Right, so lets add all that together. 1 1/2 seasons at Man City... 1 blown UEFA cup place and looking to do it again this season. 1/2 season at Forest, relegated. Pearce has just 2 seasons total of non-miraculous managerial experience under his belt yet he is the England frame? It is a joke! I love the guy and I want him as England manager but IN THE FUTURE!

For now I want Allardyce or O'Neill or maybe even Venables again... would that be such a bad move? Wait, he DID pick Barry Venison for England...


jesus - 7-3-2006 at 10:27

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1 1/2 seasons at Man City... 1 blown UEFA cup place and looking to do it again this season.


To be fair, he's done really well at city. If you were him and you managed to maintain your slightly over-achieving position from last season despite SWP leaving, I think you'd be fairly happy with it.

Although I do agree that he's not ready to coach England.


jazzy - 7-3-2006 at 10:30

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

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Originally posted by jazzy

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

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I'd still like it to be Pearce. I know he's new to club management but the national manager's job is very different to that anyway and I think our rather nice qualifying group for the next Europeans would be a good learning curve for him. He'd be great.


No he wouldn't. He can't hack pressure management. Look at the balls up at Forest (everyone seems to have forgotten that) or the end of season fiasco when the UEFA cup place looked to be up for grabs. He is a future Engand amnager, just not this time around.


the balls up at forest was when he had half a season's worth of coaching experience under his belt and he was working with another man's players. blaming him for that is grossly unfair.


Right, so lets add all that together. 1 1/2 seasons at Man City... 1 blown UEFA cup place and looking to do it again this season. 1/2 season at Forest, relegated. Pearce has just 2 seasons total of non-miraculous managerial experience under his belt yet he is the England frame? It is a joke! I love the guy and I want him as England manager but IN THE FUTURE!


last season: they were 14th when he took over. in february or march. getting them to 8th was a massive achievement.

this season: he sold by far and away the best player man city have had for the last 20 years and has only been able to spend 1/2 of it on new players. these players including darius '2 goals last season' vassell and andy 'how did he miss from there' cole. they've proved to be possibly the most leathal partnership in the premier league. he's also turned joey barton into a geniune england contender. considering what he bought and who he lost, the fact that city aren't struggling for relegation is a miracle.

forest: as discussed, the side was as good as relegated anyway. he had half a season's coaching experience, no badges and two months to turn it all around. it was an impossible task.

international management: until recently klinsmann has done excellently for germany with no experience. an even better example is van basten who has turned the biggest bunch of under achievers into a team with a chance of winning the world cup. sometimes the respect factor goes a long way at international level. pearce also has his success (albeit in a short amount of time) at city on his side and that is why he's my favourite for the job. not that he'll get it of course.


Colin DIS - 7-3-2006 at 10:41

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last season: they were 14th when he took over. in february or march. getting them to 8th was a massive achievement.

this season: he sold by far and away the best player man city have had for the last 20 years and has only been able to spend 1/2 of it on new players. these players including darius '2 goals last season' vassell and andy 'how did he miss from there' cole. they've proved to be possibly the most leathal partnership in the premier league. he's also turned joey barton into a geniune england contender. considering what he bought and who he lost, the fact that city aren't struggling for relegation is a miracle.

forest: as discussed, the side was as good as relegated anyway. he had half a season's coaching experience, no badges and two months to turn it all around. it was an impossible task.

international management: until recently klinsmann has done excellently for germany with no experience. an even better example is van basten who has turned the biggest bunch of under achievers into a team with a chance of winning the world cup. sometimes the respect factor goes a long way at international level. pearce also has his success (albeit in a short amount of time) at city on his side and that is why he's my favourite for the job. not that he'll get it of course.


Numerous points made there and I think I have to say again I am not saying Pearce is a bad manager just he is not ready for the job yet.

Now, you are correct about the league table but as I remember it the team were only 7 points outside a UEFA place at that point (although I am not 100% on that) As for the Vassell and Cole arguement, Cole had come off his best season in YEARS at Fulham and looked a real striker again and Vassell was injured throughout last season and barely got a string of games together.

As for relegation strugglers because 1 winger has gone. Are you trying to be funny? City were much more than a 1 team player especially at the back now where they look amazingly solid (even David James!) It would take an extremely bad manager for that squad to get relegated (say, Hoddle for example)

Thanks to Eurosport I have got to see the last 4 Germany matches and I don't think there has been that much of an improvement. Italy showed them up for the one dimensional jokers that they are (that 1 dimension being Ballack) but I wouldn't say that is down to Klinsmann, just the state of German football at present especially with the influx of foreigners (a massive percentage) but that is a different issue altogether...

[Edited on 7-3-2006 by Colin DIS]


thelikelylad - 11-3-2006 at 17:05

how are earth can the same group of players play soo shit for graham souness yet put together a fine run of form under glenn roeder. what are they putting in the tyne this past month


RadioEd - 16-3-2006 at 20:22

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 47 1488
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 59 1477
3 party hard sam leppard 48 1411
4 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 53 1378
5 The Rats Ed Lugg 74 1371
6 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 31 1360
7 The Gash Peter Jones 42 1359
8 Team Fairy danielle price 60 1350
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 49 1316
10 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 48 1282
11 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 47 1269
12 Ginger FC James Dunmore 58 1265
13 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 54 1260
14 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 38 1188
15 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 50 1184
16 Big Chin FC sam fuller 51 1174
17 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 42 1166
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 30 1164
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 34 1104
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 23 1037
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 35 991

started messing with my team again and reaped the rewards. expect another big week for me


clarkogir - 16-3-2006 at 20:33

im going to try and pull away from the bottom three and take 'Big Chin FC's spot, hopefully this can be achieved with a bit of a re-shuffle

[Edited on 16-3-2006 by clarkogir]


Eleanor Conroy - 16-3-2006 at 20:49

thought this might be the week that i lost my top spot, so i'm relieved it's not. don't really know what to do though - the players in my team are great, they're just not performing. i don't want to give up on them really, but i need to do something. can't have gareth doing to me what i did to him last season and snatching it at the last moment!

i'm bemused by all this stuart pearce talk - a definite possibility for the future, but no way now. just because it's been done without experience doesn't mean that it wouldn't be much better to have experience! if we really had no choice i'm sure he could do an OK job, but there are managers who've done more to prove themselves that are in the frame. like allardyce.


dexterpanik - 17-3-2006 at 12:24

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im going to try and pull away from the bottom three and take 'Big Chin FC's spot, hopefully this can be achieved with a bit of a re-shuffle

get away from my spot you bitch. it is very tight around the bottom though isn't it? ooh pardon!

i dropped cesc fabregas three weeks ago after persisting with him for a whole season. he subsequently came on as sub and scored the following day and got man of the match last week.


i am sam - 17-3-2006 at 12:56

at the minute neil warnock is my saviour. three minutes on the pitch and a goal from defence. nice work.


dexterpanik - 20-3-2006 at 13:07

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 52 1540
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 53 1526
3 party hard sam leppard 48 1459
4 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 45 1423
5 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 36 1396
6 The Gash Peter Jones 36 1395
7 The Rats Ed Lugg 31 1390
8 Team Fairy danielle price 36 1386
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 34 1350
10 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 42 1324
11 Ginger FC James Dunmore 42 1307
12 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 43 1303
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 19 1288
14 Big Chin FC sam fuller 53 1227
15 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 31 1219
16 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 32 1216
17 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 42 1206
18 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 30 1196
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 36 1132
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 26 1063
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 23 1014

i'm having a late season surge, although a top half finish is still probably out of the question..


jazzy - 20-3-2006 at 13:30

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at the minute neil warnock is my saviour. three minutes on the pitch and a goal from defence. nice work.


surely you mean steven warnock. amusing as it would be to see neil warnock bombing down the left for liverpool. especially next sunday against the mighty (ahem) everton...


TC - 20-3-2006 at 13:31

my ambition is to come top of the pops in the very tight 8-13 positions. maybe with a good run and good luck a 5th place uefa cup sport isnt out of the question........


dexterpanik - 20-3-2006 at 13:43

mark crossley's my sub keeper as well - if only i'd put him in for cech.


dunnerz - 20-3-2006 at 14:03

can i make a surge and catch colin and ed

probably not


jazzy - 27-3-2006 at 08:43

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 32 1581
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 19 1538
3 party hard sam leppard 32 1497
4 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 19 1445
5 The Rats Ed Lugg 56 1441
6 The Gash Peter Jones 40 1439
7 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 26 1426
8 Team Fairy danielle price 19 1411
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 44 1397
10 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 21 1349
11 Ginger FC James Dunmore 30 1339
12 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 27 1338
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 16 1304
14 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 33 1254
15 Big Chin FC sam fuller 20 1253
16 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 32 1251
17 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 21 1229
18 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 31 1229
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 17 1157
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 12 1076
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 33 1047


jazzy - 27-3-2006 at 08:45

bit of a shocker for me this week. i reckon sam and ed will finish above me as i complete my usual end of season collapse! just ballsed up on my transfers too - clicked confirm and then realised that i've got too many midfielders so will have someone good on the bench next week and shit all up front. fuck!


TC - 27-3-2006 at 08:55

the intense battle between 10 and 12th is surely where the action and excitement of the league is!!! Me and Dunnerz keep leap-frogging each other and hes only a point ahead of me. Colin had better watch out too, his 10th place isn't secure!


dunnerz - 28-3-2006 at 09:33

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Originally posted by TC

the intense battle between 10 and 12th is surely where the action and excitement of the league is!!! Me and Dunnerz keep leap-frogging each other and hes only a point ahead of me. Colin had better watch out too, his 10th place isn't secure!


bring it on


Colin DIS - 28-3-2006 at 09:36

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Originally posted by dunnerz

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Originally posted by TC

the intense battle between 10 and 12th is surely where the action and excitement of the league is!!! Me and Dunnerz keep leap-frogging each other and hes only a point ahead of me. Colin had better watch out too, his 10th place isn't secure!


bring it on


Keep on running Dunnerz! Your time will come.


TC - 30-3-2006 at 09:23

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

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Originally posted by dunnerz

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Originally posted by TC

the intense battle between 10 and 12th is surely where the action and excitement of the league is!!! Me and Dunnerz keep leap-frogging each other and hes only a point ahead of me. Colin had better watch out too, his 10th place isn't secure!


bring it on


Keep on running Dunnerz! Your time will come.


i've re-overtaken dunnerz and now level with colin!!! next target to get taken down, martin absent kid haha!


dunnerz - 30-3-2006 at 09:29

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Originally posted by TC

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

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Originally posted by dunnerz

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Originally posted by TC

the intense battle between 10 and 12th is surely where the action and excitement of the league is!!! Me and Dunnerz keep leap-frogging each other and hes only a point ahead of me. Colin had better watch out too, his 10th place isn't secure!


bring it on


Keep on running Dunnerz! Your time will come.


i've re-overtaken dunnerz and now level with colin!!! next target to get taken down, martin absent kid haha!



another reason (in a sean bean morrison esk voice) to hate van donkey face - i had saha as my captain, relying in his form, and he bloody well didnt play.

it really hurt putting him in my team, i usually try to avoid all man u and sp*rs players in fantasty football teams.


jazzy - 30-3-2006 at 10:04

in the exeter league i'm in, everyone around me scored two-and-a-times the amount i scored. bugger. made henry my captain and he didn't play, brought neville in at the back and he didn't play last night, steven gerrard got himself sent off and nobody did anything good in general in my team. i forsee an ed revival into second place and sam overtaking me to keep third. i've got 4th place written all over me. although not literally of course. that'd just be mental....


jazzy - 30-3-2006 at 10:05

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 35 1584
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 29 1548
3 party hard sam leppard 44 1509
4 The Rats Ed Lugg 72 1457
5 Team Fairy danielle price 59 1451
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 22 1448
7 The Gash Peter Jones 48 1447
8 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 36 1436
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 63 1416
10 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 28 1356
11 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 45 1356
12 Ginger FC James Dunmore 42 1351
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 16 1304
14 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 44 1265
15 Big Chin FC sam fuller 26 1259
16 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 39 1258
17 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 58 1256
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 39 1247
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 34 1174
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 23 1087
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 54 1068


RadioEd - 30-3-2006 at 12:59

brilliant, another big week for the rats


AntManBee - 30-3-2006 at 13:07

All I can say is fuckshitcuntybollocks. I'm clearly doing a Charlton


jazzy - 30-3-2006 at 14:19

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 38 1587
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 31 1550
3 party hard sam leppard 48 1513
4 The Rats Ed Lugg 83 1468
5 Team Fairy danielle price 69 1461
6 The Gash Peter Jones 53 1452
7 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 26 1452
8 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 42 1442
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 74 1427
10 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 47 1358
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 28 1356
12 Ginger FC James Dunmore 45 1354
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 19 1307
14 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 52 1273
15 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 65 1263
16 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 41 1260
17 Big Chin FC sam fuller 26 1259
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 43 1251
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 37 1177
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 25 1089
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 58 1072


dunnerz - 30-3-2006 at 14:46

so catching you colin!!


i am sam - 30-3-2006 at 15:27

i'm firmly occupying the liverpool position of still not totally ruled out of winning it, however unlikely it would be and in a good battle for second place. i just need a bit of luck... although in a controversial move i dropped gamst pederson this week.


Eleanor Conroy - 1-4-2006 at 13:06

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

i'm firmly occupying the liverpool position of still not totally ruled out of winning it, however unlikely it would be and in a good battle for second place.

that makes me chelsea! mwah ha ha!


jazzy - 3-4-2006 at 08:51

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 42 1629
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 43 1581
3 party hard sam leppard 53 1566
4 Team Fairy danielle price 46 1507
5 The Rats Ed Lugg 38 1498
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 43 1495
7 The Gash Peter Jones 33 1485
8 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 33 1475
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 25 1452
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 64 1418
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 48 1404
12 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 24 1382
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 31 1338
14 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 50 1313
15 Big Chin FC sam fuller 46 1305
16 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 31 1304
17 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 30 1290
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 36 1287
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 42 1219
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 29 1118
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 20 1092

anyone with wigan, blackburn, bolton or birmingham players will still have points to come. it's quite amusing how well danielle's doing considering she's never changed her team!


dunnerz - 3-4-2006 at 09:37

64 points in 1 week - some sort of record for me! (i could have had more, but Diaby was on the bench!!)

Although it could be temporary - i've overtaken both Colin and TC in the same week


Sweet as!

[Edited on 3/4/2006 by dunnerz]


jazzy - 3-4-2006 at 09:44

sam is worryingly close to me and eleanor is worryingly far away. i'm tottenham i reckon - promised much but is falling away at the wrong time of the season!


i am sam - 3-4-2006 at 10:23

i've eyed up your team though gareth, you should get more points than me out of the remaining matches this week.

unless stelios has a brilliant game too i may live to regret not leaving henry as my captain. i thought i'd gamble on him as bolton have two games this week, but so far he's my lowest scoring player this week.


TC - 3-4-2006 at 12:42

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

64 points in 1 week - some sort of record for me! (i could have had more, but Diaby was on the bench!!)

Although it could be temporary - i've overtaken both Colin and TC in the same week


Sweet as!

[Edited on 3/4/2006 by dunnerz]


Unfortunately I've still got 4 more players to come - bad luck son! That lead won't be as big then (I hope). Having said that you do have a fine tally this week.


dunnerz - 3-4-2006 at 15:04

Quote:
Originally posted by TC

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

64 points in 1 week - some sort of record for me! (i could have had more, but Diaby was on the bench!!)

Although it could be temporary - i've overtaken both Colin and TC in the same week


Sweet as!

[Edited on 3/4/2006 by dunnerz]

Unfortunately I've still got 4 more players to come - bad luck son! That lead won't be as big then (I hope). Having said that you do have a fine tally this week.


i've got 2 (bolton) players hopefully due to pick up some mid week points

Unfortunately I've still got 4 more players to come - bad luck son! That lead won't be as big then (I hope). Having said that you do have a fine tally this week.

[Edited on 3/4/2006 by dunnerz]


jazzy - 5-4-2006 at 15:01

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 50 1637
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 55 1593
3 party hard sam leppard 70 1583
4 Team Fairy danielle price 63 1524
5 The Rats Ed Lugg 49 1509
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 53 1505
7 The Gash Peter Jones 40 1492
8 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 42 1484
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 30 1457
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 74 1428
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 69 1425
12 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 35 1393
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 36 1343
14 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 56 1319
15 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 63 1314
16 Big Chin FC sam fuller 54 1313
17 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 39 1312
18 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 44 1304
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 52 1229
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 32 1121
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 21 1093

because of transfers i've made, sam will be ahead of me come the start of the next game week. looks like tom took a kicking in the mid-table battle between him and james, still tight though!

also amusing to see danielle's team that hasn't really been altered up in 4th place. maybe she's onto something that i should have learnt ages ago - transfers are bad and they cost you lots of points...


TC - 5-4-2006 at 15:26

Was a terrible week - my team decided to be cock the week dunnerz team played out of their skin.

I'm preparing for next season, I didn't even make a transfer 'til about feb - by then the damage was already done and mid-table mediocrity was unavoidable!


Eleanor Conroy - 5-4-2006 at 19:36

gareth, what happened to your team this week?! if it wasn't for henry i'd have kicked your arse!

i hadn't realised quite how close sam had got - bit worrying. sure i'll hold you both off though


jazzy - 6-4-2006 at 08:39

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

gareth, what happened to your team this week?! if it wasn't for henry i'd have kicked your arse!

i hadn't realised quite how close sam had got - bit worrying. sure i'll hold you both off though


i think you'll find i scored 5 more points than you


Eleanor Conroy - 6-4-2006 at 17:37

yes, but that was solely because of henry - the rest of your team combined only just beat him!

this is why i'm winning you see - my team has more depth and consistency


dunnerz - 7-4-2006 at 08:01

i'm just getting ready for next season - the start of this season was so poor for me, but just getting to grips with how the system works!

gareth - i really cant look at your avatar without feeling dirty - but in a good way!!! hehee!


jazzy - 7-4-2006 at 14:55

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

this is why i'm winning you see - my team has more depth and consistency


and the reason you've been scoring poorly since lampard has had a dip in form is purely coincidental?


TC - 7-4-2006 at 15:44

I've made some radical changes - there will be some bloodshed in the middle of the league this week!


Eleanor Conroy - 9-4-2006 at 11:24

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

this is why i'm winning you see - my team has more depth and consistency


and the reason you've been scoring poorly since lampard has had a dip in form is purely coincidental?

i can't have been scoring that badly - i'm still beating all of you!


jazzy - 9-4-2006 at 13:01

for some reason, the fantasy league people have only given drogba one assist despite the fact he got two assists. they'd better change that!


dunnerz - 10-4-2006 at 08:10

bloody man u - expected that result tho, as man u didnt play mid week - we looked very jaded.

Always said kolo toure would make a good keeper

Still - if we win every game from now till the end of the season - 4th is ours - so not all bad.

Man u still putting presure on chelsea!! good stuff!


TC - 10-4-2006 at 08:47

1. Picked O'Brien because he is cheap and has two games this week - he picked up a back injury before the game on Saturday

2. Donkey McBride finally scores........the match gets abandoned

3. Transferred in two Arsenal players at a cost of 8 points because they are in form and have two games - they picked up 4 points between them.

4. All of my players from all teams were shite


jazzy - 10-4-2006 at 10:37

there's still the arsenal portsmouth game to come in this week so subsitutions haven't happened yet and actim points haven't been added. i'm owed 6 points from james collins' goal for west ham yesterday as dawson didn't play for spurs...


jazzy - 10-4-2006 at 10:39

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 49 1686
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 44 1629
3 party hard sam leppard 34 1617
4 Team Fairy danielle price 26 1550
5 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 31 1536
6 The Gash Peter Jones 43 1535
7 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 41 1525
8 The Rats Ed Lugg 33 1522
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 64 1521
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 30 1458
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 28 1453
12 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 23 1404
13 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 53 1372
14 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 19 1362
15 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 47 1351
16 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 38 1350
17 Big Chin FC sam fuller 35 1348
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 32 1346
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 59 1288
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 27 1148
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 35 1128


i am sam - 10-4-2006 at 10:53

yeah, i had a shocker of a week too. still hopefully the automatic substitution will put liam ridgewell in. i think he kept a clean sheet, but i can't actually remember. i know it was a draw but it was so dull i can't remember the final score...


jazzy - 10-4-2006 at 12:12

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

yeah, i had a shocker of a week too. still hopefully the automatic substitution will put liam ridgewell in. i think he kept a clean sheet, but i can't actually remember. i know it was a draw but it was so dull i can't remember the final score...


yeah it was 0-0 so you're owed 6 points for ridgewell....


RadioEd - 10-4-2006 at 12:19

henry not starting against utd did me right over


jazzy - 10-4-2006 at 12:30

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

henry not starting against utd did me right over


me too, he was my sodding captain. still, hopefully he'll rattle in some goals on wednesday....


AntManBee - 10-4-2006 at 14:54

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

henry not starting against utd did me right over


me too, he was my sodding captain.


Ditto. It was good to see the Arse get beat... and Bolton. Portsmouth could've done us a favour by beating Blackburn like they should've, but nevermind.

Quote:
still, hopefully he'll rattle in some goals on wednesday....


Since I have no chance in the Fantasy Football, I'm rooting for Pompey.


AntManBee - 10-4-2006 at 15:24

On a vaguely related note, I could spend so much money on this website. Palestinian national team shirt? Sweet.


Colin DIS - 10-4-2006 at 16:00

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

On a vaguely related note, I could spend so much money on this website. Palestinian national team shirt? Sweet.


I have this site on my favourites. I really want the Jef United Ichihara shirt (my second team after Doncaster) but it is extrotinately priced! Great for obscure team shorts though

What is your fave mate? If I had the cash I would get this...

Shimuzu shirt

Quite liked the Scarboro with 'MATALAN' on it in big letters too

[Edited on 10-4-2006 by Colin DIS]

[Edited on 10-4-2006 by Colin DIS]


jazzy - 13-4-2006 at 13:17

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 49 1686
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 68 1653
3 party hard sam leppard 46 1629
4 Team Fairy danielle price 43 1567
5 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 43 1548
6 The Rats Ed Lugg 58 1547
7 The Gash Peter Jones 44 1536
8 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 47 1531
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 64 1521
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 51 1479
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 42 1467
12 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 28 1409
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 41 1384
14 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 55 1374
15 Big Chin FC sam fuller 60 1373
16 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 45 1357
17 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 49 1353
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 36 1350
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 61 1290
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 31 1152
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 38 1131


dunnerz - 13-4-2006 at 14:52

i'll be an everton fan this weekend jazzy!

hopefully you can turn spurs over!!


jazzy - 13-4-2006 at 16:37

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 55 1692
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 82 1667
3 party hard sam leppard 54 1637
4 Team Fairy danielle price 48 1572
5 The Rats Ed Lugg 68 1557
6 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 50 1555
7 The Gash Peter Jones 49 1541
8 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 51 1535
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 71 1528
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 53 1481
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 52 1477
12 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 28 1409
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 48 1391
14 Big Chin FC sam fuller 73 1386
15 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 66 1385
16 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 48 1360
17 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 54 1358
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 38 1352
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 72 1301
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 37 1158
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 47 1140

a fine week for me, needed it after a rotten few weeks mind!


Colin DIS - 16-4-2006 at 09:22

Sheffield United promoted which means Neil Warnock whining every week on match of the day about how referees hate him and Sheffield and kidnapped his cat to put him off his job etc...

God I hate that prick! I am depressed about next years premiership already.


dunnerz - 16-4-2006 at 15:34

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Sheffield United promoted which means Neil Warnock whining every week on match of the day about how referees hate him and Sheffield and kidnapped his cat to put him off his job etc...

God I hate that prick! I am depressed about next years premiership already.


i recon them and reading will go straight back down (reading based upon the assumption that the arsenal reserve team beat thier full strengh team 3-0 - Sheffield based upon Warnock winding up/moaning about the refs too much and therefore making them send his players off).

cant see anyone "doing a wigan" - saying that, we obiously dont know who the 3rd team will be


dunnerz - 18-4-2006 at 08:40

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 42 1794
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 51 1759
3 party hard sam leppard 49 1724
4 The Gash Peter Jones 45 1655
5 Team Fairy danielle price 22 1646
6 The Rats Ed Lugg 51 1639
7 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 49 1634
8 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 23 1628
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 50 1622
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 31 1570
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 7 1524
12 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 38 1476
13 Big Chin FC sam fuller 17 1467
14 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 39 1467
15 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 20 1459
16 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 30 1453
17 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 45 1453
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 10 1411
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 14 1370
20 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 33 1209
21 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 6 1193

colin - 7 points - tc - whats happened to you!!!
this is probably post actim and subs, etc.


TC - 18-4-2006 at 10:36

My team has gone into freefall! Can't believe it! Nothing is going right for them - watching Match of the Day was depressing, Ambrose missed 2 sitters, it was harder for Nolan to miss the goal, VanNistelroy should have scored twice, O'Brien was in the starting line-up then pulled a hamstring just before the match, Etherington had a calf strain and missed out - in about 3 weeks I've managed to get overtaken by people over 100 points behind me!


i am sam - 18-4-2006 at 10:46

It's all about my forward line these days. well, it was until shearer crocked himself: shearer, keane, and rooney. i've brought fowler in to replace shearer now... fingers crossed.

i keep having very mixed weeks. the fixtures aren't helping. no liverpool playing this week scuppered me. but then someone like n'zogbia plays a blinder and makes sure i get a decent amount of points.

i feel like i'm manchester united at the moment. the prospect of winning this thing looks unlikely, but not impossible. fingers crossed i can still take gareth for second place at least.


RadioEd - 18-4-2006 at 11:07

im definitely feeling like rovers as i type, another decent week, but still not enough to make 4th place. sam's pretty much out of reach these days, although ruling out some kinda miracle on the rats' part remains naive.


dunnerz - 18-4-2006 at 11:17

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

im definitely feeling like rovers as i type, another decent week, but still not enough to make 4th place. sam's pretty much out of reach these days, although ruling out some kinda miracle on the rats' part remains naive.


lol

i think it looks like im doing a newcastle - late push for the top 10!! (europe place, etc!)

its all about next season now - think i just about understand how this game works.

annoying - in the sun fantasy league i do - i was first by a mile all season, until about 2 weeks ago, now i'm in 3rd and falling - it can go so wrong so quickly!!


TC - 18-4-2006 at 11:29

I think though there are flaws in this points system, sometimes it seems people play a blinder yet get rewarded with only 1 or 2 points. i think i'm Manchester City, chasing a European spot initially before going into gradual decline into a good mid-table side, before losing 6 games on the trot to collapse into bottom-half obscurity!


dunnerz - 18-4-2006 at 13:21

Quote:
Originally posted by TC

I think though there are flaws in this points system, sometimes it seems people play a blinder yet get rewarded with only 1 or 2 points. i think i'm Manchester City, chasing a European spot initially before going into gradual decline into a good mid-table side, before losing 6 games on the trot to collapse into bottom-half obscurity!


that was my problem (to start off with) - i was used to the sun scoring system where players get rated, as opposed to points per performance. Also, scoring goals should be rewarded with more points (again, my problem) - and scoring more than 1 goal should also recieve bonus points, etc.

Oh well!


RadioEd - 18-4-2006 at 13:29

actim points add 1-3 per game depending on performance, aggregated by factors including pass completion, shots on target, headers won, successful tackles etc. a scoring system based on anything other than individual statistics is flawed by its subjectivity.


dunnerz - 18-4-2006 at 14:25

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

actim points add 1-3 per game depending on performance, aggregated by factors including pass completion, shots on target, headers won, successful tackles etc. a scoring system based on anything other than individual statistics is flawed by its subjectivity.


i dont agree - for example a striker can influence a game by being in certain positions, harrasing certain players - they may also be heavly involved with the build up (but not actual assist, or the assist prior to the goal) - also with this scoring system, scoring a goal doesnt carry very high points - so it doenst truley reflect how some players have been involved.

A mixture of both (stats) and ratings (i think) is best.


TC - 18-4-2006 at 15:45

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

actim points add 1-3 per game depending on performance, aggregated by factors including pass completion, shots on target, headers won, successful tackles etc. a scoring system based on anything other than individual statistics is flawed by its subjectivity.


i dont agree - for example a striker can influence a game by being in certain positions, harrasing certain players - they may also be heavly involved with the build up (but not actual assist, or the assist prior to the goal) - also with this scoring system, scoring a goal doesnt carry very high points - so it doenst truley reflect how some players have been involved.

A mixture of both (stats) and ratings (i think) is best.


Assists are slightly subjective anyway if you look at the rules, who decides whether the opposition player got a significant enough touch in trying to clear it to stop it being an assist? Also, Giggs could pick up the ball in his own area, take the ball round 9 players and then cross it to rooney, but because the opposition player got there first and put the ball into his own net Giggs gets no points for it, despite him clearly doing a lot of work. Furthermore, if the score was 1-0 and Giggs played out of his skin but Park and Neville were even better thus taking the actim points he would get only 3 points, whereas Ferdinand could have a real off day, give loads away yet score 6 points through Van de Sar keeping a clean sheet.


jazzy - 19-4-2006 at 09:19

this points system is the fairest one i've seen in any fantasy football game. at least it's not like a newspaper one where the ratings are based on one person's opinion. opta stats are computer tracked and therefore more consistant.

anyway, it looks interesting at the top - i'm only 35 points behind el but only 25 points ahead of sam. we've still got blackburn and birmingham to play tonight too. too difficult to call really but i reckon it'll be el in first place, followed by sam in second and the cone-tract boys in third.


dunnerz - 19-4-2006 at 09:44

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

this points system is the fairest one i've seen in any fantasy football game. at least it's not like a newspaper one where the ratings are based on one person's opinion. opta stats are computer tracked and therefore more consistant.

anyway, it looks interesting at the top - i'm only 35 points behind el but only 25 points ahead of sam. we've still got blackburn and birmingham to play tonight too. too difficult to call really but i reckon it'll be el in first place, followed by sam in second and the cone-tract boys in third.


i do agree completly with what tc said, but i can see what you mean about the opta stats being the only fair way - however, i still dont think that scoring a goal gets enough points, i mean afterall, its scoring the goals that wins the games.


but yes - it looks interesting at the top!! (but for me its all about beating colin and tc! hehee).


jazzy - 19-4-2006 at 11:30

shit. sam'll definitely overtake me next week. i've got 5 players not playing and two who are injured.


i am sam - 19-4-2006 at 12:26

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

shit. sam'll definitely overtake me next week. i've got 5 players not playing and two who are injured.


nah. i'm in a similar state. but i did make plans for such an occurrence and i have some shit players on the bench who might pick up a point or two instead.


jazzy - 19-4-2006 at 13:11

just made 16 points worth of transfers and even then i've still got a player who'll not be playing. rats.


dunnerz - 19-4-2006 at 14:09

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Sheffield United promoted which means Neil Warnock whining every week on match of the day about how referees hate him and Sheffield and kidnapped his cat to put him off his job etc...

God I hate that prick! I am depressed about next years premiership already.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sheff_utd/4922014.stm

your point has been prooved already!!


jazzy - 20-4-2006 at 10:21

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Sheffield United promoted which means Neil Warnock whining every week on match of the day about how referees hate him and Sheffield and kidnapped his cat to put him off his job etc...

God I hate that prick! I am depressed about next years premiership already.





[Edited on 20-4-2006 by jazzy]


dunnerz - 20-4-2006 at 12:28

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Sheffield United promoted which means Neil Warnock whining every week on match of the day about how referees hate him and Sheffield and kidnapped his cat to put him off his job etc...

God I hate that prick! I am depressed about next years premiership already.





[Edited on 20-4-2006 by jazzy]



wicked!!!

amoust spat my tea out when i saw that!


RadioEd - 20-4-2006 at 18:24

lovely stuff, just made 20 worth of transfers, thinking big this week, and banking on a massive newcastle win...


Eleanor Conroy - 22-4-2006 at 10:22

i decided to just sacrifice this week and only made one transfer - it'll be disastrous for this week with 4 players not playing, but i think it's better for the long term to keep my chelsea and blackburn players because otherwise i'll spend weeks buying them back!


dunnerz - 24-4-2006 at 08:51

I hope spurs are happy with cheating/un-sportsman like, etc.

However, given our 1st half performance, we didnt deserve a win anyway - im just glad that goal wasnt thier winner.

(in other words, before the match, I wanted a win, but by half time I thought a draw was all we deserved - and that it was happened).

I hope west ham/bolton can do a job for us now!!


Spark Tarpauline - 24-4-2006 at 08:55

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

I hope spurs are happy with cheating/un-sportsman like, etc.




I'll be back to discuss that when my essay is finally typed!!


Colin DIS - 24-4-2006 at 09:00

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

I hope spurs are happy with cheating/un-sportsman like, etc.


I do hope you are kidding James. All you have to do is look at the replay to see that Davids is looking only at the ball and is off down the wing, he doesn't look at the one grounded player (the other having already got up and chasing back!)

For unsportsman like behaviour look at Wenger and Lehman, the only 2 people who can compete for my hatred of Neil Warnock. Both complete tossers. Has Wenger EVER is all his time at Arsenal EVER said his team were in the wrong? No! Has Lehmann EVER done a sportsman like gesture? NO!!!

As for Warnock... this quote says it all :-

"It's a vendetta to get me sent off."

What a bell end!


dunnerz - 24-4-2006 at 09:06

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

I hope spurs are happy with cheating/un-sportsman like, etc.


I do hope you are kidding James. All you have to do is look at the replay to see that Davids is looking only at the ball and is off down the wing, he doesn't look at the one grounded player (the other having already got up and chasing back!)

For unsportsman like behaviour look at Wenger and Lehman, the only 2 people who can compete for my hatred of Neil Warnock. Both complete tossers. Has Wenger EVER is all his time at Arsenal EVER said his team were in the wrong? No! Has Lehmann EVER done a sportsman like gesture? NO!!!

As for Warnock... this quote says it all :-

"It's a vendetta to get me sent off."

What a bell end!


no im not kidding, and im not blaming Davids as he didnt see it - Carrick however stopped, looked at it, the players around him stopped (along with our defense) and everyone thought he would kick it out - however, replays do clearly show Jol shouting at Carrick to play on when he was clearly in doubt as to what to do.
The sportsman like thing to do, would have been to kick it out

As I said, im not too upset as it wasnt the match winner.

For Wenger being sportsman like and admitting his team were in the wrong - try the FA Cup (semi?) against Sheffield United, where Kanu played on instead of giving the ball back and scored the winner - Wenger admitted he was wrong and went for a reply.


thelikelylad - 24-4-2006 at 09:13

funy how eboue and gilberto look like a pair of prancing gazelles when spurs scored. to be honest the goal should have of stood just to see wenger and jol square up. i honestly noticed for the first the sheer robustness that is martin jol.


thelikelylad - 24-4-2006 at 09:16

championship playoffs winner- who you reckon?
i fancy either watford or preston, though palace are impeccable in the playoffs


Spark Tarpauline - 24-4-2006 at 09:19

A team is expected to play the ball out of play if it is believed that there is a serious injury to one of the oppositions players. This was not the case. The ref was right in the middle of the action, neither of your players looked properly injured as one had gotten up and the other began to sit up to look at the play, the fact is the ref waved him up, if he had been properly injured the ref would have blown up. It's perfectly reasonable for tottenham to have played on As I believe eboue was not injured and just trying to disrupt the flow of the game, he looked up saw we played on and went back to rolling around.

As for jol Shouting play on, even with the mics volume turned up you still cant reliably tell whether he is saying play on, or stay on, as he claims he did to davids. Now i'm entitled to believe him, but then i am a spurs support. The biggest disgrace in this incident is the fact that wenger called jol a cheat and a liar, that is very disgraceful, how many times has Wenger not seen an incident?


Spark Tarpauline - 24-4-2006 at 09:20

Quote:
Originally posted by thelikelylad

championship playoffs winner- who you reckon?
i fancy either watford or preston, though palace are impeccable in the playoffs


I'll be rooting for Watford, and I think they've got a good chance


Colin DIS - 24-4-2006 at 09:22

Quote:
Originally posted by thelikelylad

championship playoffs winner- who you reckon?
i fancy either watford or preston, though palace are impeccable in the playoffs


Bloody good question and it is soo tight between the four teams it is hard to call but I would go with the team you haven't mentioned, Leeds.


Colin DIS - 24-4-2006 at 09:27

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Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

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Originally posted by dunnerz

I hope spurs are happy with cheating/un-sportsman like, etc.


I do hope you are kidding James. All you have to do is look at the replay to see that Davids is looking only at the ball and is off down the wing, he doesn't look at the one grounded player (the other having already got up and chasing back!)

For unsportsman like behaviour look at Wenger and Lehman, the only 2 people who can compete for my hatred of Neil Warnock. Both complete tossers. Has Wenger EVER is all his time at Arsenal EVER said his team were in the wrong? No! Has Lehmann EVER done a sportsman like gesture? NO!!!

As for Warnock... this quote says it all :-

"It's a vendetta to get me sent off."

What a bell end!


no im not kidding, and im not blaming Davids as he didnt see it - Carrick however stopped, looked at it, the players around him stopped (along with our defense) and everyone thought he would kick it out - however, replays do clearly show Jol shouting at Carrick to play on when he was clearly in doubt as to what to do.
The sportsman like thing to do, would have been to kick it out

As I said, im not too upset as it wasnt the match winner.

For Wenger being sportsman like and admitting his team were in the wrong - try the FA Cup (semi?) against Sheffield United, where Kanu played on instead of giving the ball back and scored the winner - Wenger admitted he was wrong and went for a reply.


He did not admit his team were in the wrong against Sheffield United, he reckoned Kanu didn't know about that rule (which is bull!) and played on no doubt because he did what Spurs did, you play until the whistle! Wenger has no grace when it comes to other managers or football in general and THAT, despite all he has acheived, is why I have no respect for him.


thelikelylad - 24-4-2006 at 09:28

what i like bout the 4 teams is that theyve all got youngish managers who would be perhaps not out of depth in premiership, perhaps perform the same performances as pardew at west ham and jewell at wigan


Colin DIS - 24-4-2006 at 09:36

Oh, and while I think about, where are all the Southend fans now hey? Did the double over the Shrimpers this season and they were lucky we did not get more with the ref disallowing Lewis Guys effort. VERY late run for the play offs coming up? Here is hoping...


RadioEd - 24-4-2006 at 09:40

its gotta be leeds surely? top players in every position, and the only team with a realistic chance of maintaining premiership status next year.


dunnerz - 24-4-2006 at 09:44

Quote:
Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

A team is expected to play the ball out of play if it is believed that there is a serious injury to one of the oppositions players. This was not the case. The ref was right in the middle of the action, neither of your players looked properly injured as one had gotten up and the other began to sit up to look at the play, the fact is the ref waved him up, if he had been properly injured the ref would have blown up. It's perfectly reasonable for tottenham to have played on As I believe eboue was not injured and just trying to disrupt the flow of the game, he looked up saw we played on and went back to rolling around.

As for jol Shouting play on, even with the mics volume turned up you still cant reliably tell whether he is saying play on, or stay on, as he claims he did to davids. Now i'm entitled to believe him, but then i am a spurs support. The biggest disgrace in this incident is the fact that wenger called jol a cheat and a liar, that is very disgraceful, how many times has Wenger not seen an incident?



When carrick played on, eboue was still clutching his ankle - gilberto was on his way up. If carrick was unsure, why did he pause - it was this pause that caused play to stop and davids to make the ground on Toure - if Carrick hadnt have seen it, and played straight on, I think Toure could have got accross sooner? Countless times against Villerreal the other day, their play acting players went down and we put the ball out - its the done thing

If the played the ball out, he would have been given it back. It is just a shame that a good match has been marred by such an incident. As to what Jol said, it is debatable

Wenger was wrong not to shake Jols hand at the end. But the thing about the Liar - if you listen to the interview, he was asked "do you believe that no-one on the spurs bench saw the incident" he said, "no they are lieing, as it happened right in front of them" - well, the invertview i saw thats what he said.

Still, as I said - it sorted itselft out - Davids was sent off, and we didnt really play well enough to deserve a win. And the incident aside, it was a good match.


dunnerz - 24-4-2006 at 09:46

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

its gotta be leeds surely? top players in every position, and the only team with a realistic chance of maintaining premiership status next year.


yeah, i'd put money on leeds coming up, and staying up


jazzy - 24-4-2006 at 09:58

i reckon palace will come up. best strike force of all the teams in the playoffs.


TC - 24-4-2006 at 10:41

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Oh, and while I think about, where are all the Southend fans now hey? Did the double over the Shrimpers this season and they were lucky we did not get more with the ref disallowing Lewis Guys effort. VERY late run for the play offs coming up? Here is hoping...





they still only need 2 points from the last 2 games don't they to guarentee promotion? it can't be that grave for them?!

i reckon it will be palace coming straight back up, then going straight back down, maybe finishing 17th if they are lucky.

and another shite week for my crumbling fantasy team.


Colin DIS - 24-4-2006 at 11:50

Quote:
Originally posted by TC

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Oh, and while I think about, where are all the Southend fans now hey? Did the double over the Shrimpers this season and they were lucky we did not get more with the ref disallowing Lewis Guys effort. VERY late run for the play offs coming up? Here is hoping...





they still only need 2 points from the last 2 games don't they to guarentee promotion? it can't be that grave for them?!


Not Southend, Doncaster. 6 points left to play for, 4 points outside the final promotion place.


AntManBee - 24-4-2006 at 12:52

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

A team is expected to play the ball out of play if it is believed that there is a serious injury to one of the oppositions players. This was not the case. The ref was right in the middle of the action, neither of your players looked properly injured as one had gotten up and the other began to sit up to look at the play, the fact is the ref waved him up, if he had been properly injured the ref would have blown up. It's perfectly reasonable for tottenham to have played on As I believe eboue was not injured and just trying to disrupt the flow of the game, he looked up saw we played on and went back to rolling around.

As for jol Shouting play on, even with the mics volume turned up you still cant reliably tell whether he is saying play on, or stay on, as he claims he did to davids. Now i'm entitled to believe him, but then i am a spurs support. The biggest disgrace in this incident is the fact that wenger called jol a cheat and a liar, that is very disgraceful, how many times has Wenger not seen an incident?



When carrick played on, eboue was still clutching his ankle - gilberto was on his way up. If carrick was unsure, why did he pause - it was this pause that caused play to stop and davids to make the ground on Toure - if Carrick hadnt have seen it, and played straight on, I think Toure could have got accross sooner? Countless times against Villerreal the other day, their play acting players went down and we put the ball out - its the done thing

If the played the ball out, he would have been given it back. It is just a shame that a good match has been marred by such an incident. As to what Jol said, it is debatable

Wenger was wrong not to shake Jols hand at the end. But the thing about the Liar - if you listen to the interview, he was asked "do you believe that no-one on the spurs bench saw the incident" he said, "no they are lieing, as it happened right in front of them" - well, the invertview i saw thats what he said.

Still, as I said - it sorted itselft out - Davids was sent off, and we didnt really play well enough to deserve a win. And the incident aside, it was a good match.


You didn't play well enough to get a draw!!

Carrick held the ball up while he was waiting for Davids to get back onside. As Spark said the referee checked on the players - who ran into each other, lest we forget - decided that play should continue, and we went and scored. The only person who did anything wrong was Wenger, who acted like a complete tit. If he had half Henry's class I could muster a little respect for the man...


dunnerz - 24-4-2006 at 13:06

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

A team is expected to play the ball out of play if it is believed that there is a serious injury to one of the oppositions players. This was not the case. The ref was right in the middle of the action, neither of your players looked properly injured as one had gotten up and the other began to sit up to look at the play, the fact is the ref waved him up, if he had been properly injured the ref would have blown up. It's perfectly reasonable for tottenham to have played on As I believe eboue was not injured and just trying to disrupt the flow of the game, he looked up saw we played on and went back to rolling around.

As for jol Shouting play on, even with the mics volume turned up you still cant reliably tell whether he is saying play on, or stay on, as he claims he did to davids. Now i'm entitled to believe him, but then i am a spurs support. The biggest disgrace in this incident is the fact that wenger called jol a cheat and a liar, that is very disgraceful, how many times has Wenger not seen an incident?



When carrick played on, eboue was still clutching his ankle - gilberto was on his way up. If carrick was unsure, why did he pause - it was this pause that caused play to stop and davids to make the ground on Toure - if Carrick hadnt have seen it, and played straight on, I think Toure could have got accross sooner? Countless times against Villerreal the other day, their play acting players went down and we put the ball out - its the done thing

If the played the ball out, he would have been given it back. It is just a shame that a good match has been marred by such an incident. As to what Jol said, it is debatable

Wenger was wrong not to shake Jols hand at the end. But the thing about the Liar - if you listen to the interview, he was asked "do you believe that no-one on the spurs bench saw the incident" he said, "no they are lieing, as it happened right in front of them" - well, the invertview i saw thats what he said.

Still, as I said - it sorted itselft out - Davids was sent off, and we didnt really play well enough to deserve a win. And the incident aside, it was a good match.


You didn't play well enough to get a draw!!

Carrick held the ball up while he was waiting for Davids to get back onside. As Spark said the referee checked on the players - who ran into each other, lest we forget - decided that play should continue, and we went and scored. The only person who did anything wrong was Wenger, who acted like a complete tit. If he had half Henry's class I could muster a little respect for the man...


The ref will not usually stop play for an injury.

Im sure its usually the unwritten rule that players should be sportsman like and knock the ball out if players are down injured (unless its big time accident) the ref doesnt usually blow up - regardless of how it occurred. Carrick was staring directly at them for ages.

If it was the other way around, you would be saying EXACTLY the same thing. I dont blame Wenger for the way he reacted either - its just like a player seeing red, making a stupid foul etc. and at the time, with Jol shouting "stay on" (as in onside to Davids), i'm sure that could quite easily be heard has play on (to carrick, etc) - However, he SHOULD have shaken hands at the end, and should say sorry in a press conference soon.

As for now playing well enough:

Arsenal v Tottenham
1 Goals 1
6 Shots on Target 6
3 Shots off Target 3
0 Blocked Shots 0
5 Corners 4
10 Fouls 9
2 Offsides 5
1 Yellow Cards 0
0 Red Cards 1
45% Possession 55%


I hardly think 5% more possesion is playing better - so, as I said, a draw was a fair result.


jazzy - 24-4-2006 at 13:17

it would have been an injustice if arsenal had won on saturday. spurs were by far the better side.

wenger is the master of accidentally not seeing the bad things his players have done so him getting on his high horse at martin jol is frankly laughable. he's gone down in my estimation after that. martin jol's a legend anyway. do we think he's related to the grolsch advert guy? their voices are uncannily similar.

edgar! schhtop! eboue and gilberto aren't ready yet....


Colin DIS - 24-4-2006 at 13:31

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy


edgar! schhtop! eboue and gilberto aren't ready yet....


Jol does sound like he could do a Grolsch advert. And I take it you meant 10% there James, not 5. Also anyone watching the game would say that Aresenal were dire until Henry came on and he changed the game. Also, how about condeming the diving of Pires and Reyes in that game?


AntManBee - 24-4-2006 at 13:33

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Originally posted by dunnerz


Arsenal v Tottenham
1 Goals 1
6 Shots on Target 6
3 Shots off Target 3
0 Blocked Shots 0
5 Corners 4
10 Fouls 9
2 Offsides 5
1 Yellow Cards 0
0 Red Cards 1
45% Possession 55%

I hardly think 5% more possesion is playing better - so, as I said, a draw was a fair result.


Er, not being pedantic here, but 55 - 45 is actually 10%. And in terms of quality of possession? No contest.

If only Carrick had scored... that man has to go to the World Cup, surely?


dunnerz - 24-4-2006 at 13:45

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy


edgar! schhtop! eboue and gilberto aren't ready yet....


Jol does sound like he could do a Grolsch advert. And I take it you meant 10% there James, not 5. Also anyone watching the game would say that Aresenal were dire until Henry came on and he changed the game. Also, how about condeming the diving of Pires and Reyes in that game?


Yes, the shouldn't dive - especially Reyes. Pires does go over easily, but does usually get back up again quickly rather than try to look for a foul.

yeah - sorry 10%, hardly is dominate team is it?

It was the triple substitution that really made the difference (not just Henry, although his goal should be a contender for goal of the month) we started looking better as soon as Eboue came on.


dunnerz - 24-4-2006 at 13:48

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz


Arsenal v Tottenham
1 Goals 1
6 Shots on Target 6
3 Shots off Target 3
0 Blocked Shots 0
5 Corners 4
10 Fouls 9
2 Offsides 5
1 Yellow Cards 0
0 Red Cards 1
45% Possession 55%

I hardly think 5% more possesion is playing better - so, as I said, a draw was a fair result.


Er, not being pedantic here, but 55 - 45 is actually 10%. And in terms of quality of possession? No contest.

If only Carrick had scored... that man has to go to the World Cup, surely?


With finishing like Carricks, you can all the possesion you want.

Anyway - all the extra possenion didnt do you much good in the last 10mins, when like nearly every away game this season, you have gone defensive and nearly crumbled


dunnerz - 24-4-2006 at 14:25

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz


Arsenal v Tottenham
1 Goals 1
6 Shots on Target 6
3 Shots off Target 3
0 Blocked Shots 0
5 Corners 4
10 Fouls 9
2 Offsides 5
1 Yellow Cards 0
0 Red Cards 1
45% Possession 55%

I hardly think 5% more possesion is playing better - so, as I said, a draw was a fair result.


Er, not being pedantic here, but 55 - 45 is actually 10%. And in terms of quality of possession? No contest.

If only Carrick had scored... that man has to go to the World Cup, surely?


With finishing like Carricks, you can all the possesion you want.

Anyway - all the extra possenion didnt do you much good in the last 10mins, when like nearly every away game this season, you have gone defensive and nearly crumbled



sorry - didnt get chance to finish that (i do have work to do )....

Given, that you usually do crumble towards the end of games, and we needed to rest players - didnt it make sense for us to try and play a defensive first half, and bring on fresh legs and hit you in the 2nd half? - which we did! If the quality of your possesion was better, you would have scored a couple in the first half.

Anyway - as I said, a draw was fair.


jazzy - 24-4-2006 at 14:32

had spurs' finishing been better though, you would have gone in 3 or 4 down, meaning wenger's 'tactic' would have been buggered. spurs were better for 80 minutes of the game and deserved to win.

a draw is a relatively fair result and spurs fans will be happy because 4th place is still their to lose, not arsenal's to win....


dunnerz - 24-4-2006 at 14:34

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

had spurs' finishing been better though, you would have gone in 3 or 4 down, meaning wenger's 'tactic' would have been buggered. spurs were better for 80 minutes of the game and deserved to win.

a draw is a relatively fair result and spurs fans will be happy because 4th place is still their to lose, not arsenal's to win....


I agree totally, and I think I'm going to end any further input into this discussion now, as i've probably spent too much time on it today!!!


Colin DIS - 24-4-2006 at 14:37

LOL... I was just thinkign that James. Ona more positive note I am looking forward to West ham in Europe next season. Bolton showed how a team with muscle can progress and there will not be many teams who have come up against players like Harewood before!


jazzy - 24-4-2006 at 14:42

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

LOL... I was just thinkign that James. Ona more positive note I am looking forward to West ham in Europe next season. Bolton showed how a team with muscle can progress and there will not be many teams who have come up against players like Harewood before!


and on that subject (sort of)...ashton for england! he's a better player than bent and defoe (on current form). if we're taking 5 strikers, he should definitely be one of them. big, great in the air and importantly, clever and good on the deck too. would be a great player to bring off the bench if we're struggling...


jazzy - 25-4-2006 at 08:49

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/4941542.stm



i've got this brilliant old everton video at home and he's one of the stars. best defender we've ever had...

[Edited on 25-4-2006 by jazzy]


jazzy - 27-4-2006 at 08:54

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 21 1825
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 29 1785
3 party hard sam leppard 33 1780
4 The Rats Ed Lugg 52 1681
5 The Gash Peter Jones 18 1680
6 Team Fairy danielle price 23 1672
7 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 25 1655
8 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 13 1654
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 4 1639
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 26 1602
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 32 1560
12 Big Chin FC sam fuller 42 1522
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 31 1518
14 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 27 1506
15 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 22 1495
16 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 15 1482
17 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 17 1479
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 29 1450
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 34 1415
20 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 6 1221
21 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 9 1202


still grimly hanging onto second place....


jazzy - 27-4-2006 at 09:02

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4949118.stm

hurrah, maybe an end to the saga!


dunnerz - 27-4-2006 at 09:52

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4949118.stm

hurrah, maybe an end to the saga!


a bit annoying that they could announce it before the world cup - esepecially if england meet portugul - bit too much pressure, etc.


jazzy - 27-4-2006 at 10:00

i think it's better than dragging it out. it wa turning into a farce and making the fa look incompetent. i'd rather it was sorted. anyway, aren't we on the opposite side of the draw to them. don't think we could meet until the final could we?


Colin DIS - 27-4-2006 at 10:04

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

i think it's better than dragging it out. it wa turning into a farce and making the fa look incompetent. i'd rather it was sorted. anyway, aren't we on the opposite side of the draw to them. don't think we could meet until the final could we?


Semis I think. Like the concept but considering Phil has almost zero english in his vocab I must admit to being a bit weary.


dunnerz - 27-4-2006 at 10:15

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

i think it's better than dragging it out. it wa turning into a farce and making the fa look incompetent. i'd rather it was sorted. anyway, aren't we on the opposite side of the draw to them. don't think we could meet until the final could we?



i agree.

I think the whole thing, from the start, they should have said we will make our annoucment after the cup.

much simplier that way!


i am sam - 27-4-2006 at 16:12

post actim:

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 22 1826
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 33 1789
3 party hard sam leppard 38 1785
4 The Rats Ed Lugg 58 1687
5 The Gash Peter Jones 18 1680
6 Team Fairy danielle price 28 1677
7 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 33 1663
8 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 14 1655
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 4 1639
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 26 1602
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 38 1566
12 Big Chin FC sam fuller 49 1529
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 34 1521
14 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 31 1510
15 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 24 1497
16 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 15 1482
17 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 17 1479
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 33 1454
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 43 1424
20 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 6 1221
21 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 10 1203


if, for the sake of argument me gareth and eleanor all got exactly the same points as we did this week for the next two weeks, the top 3 come the end of the season would be

eleanor- 1870
sam- 1861
gareth- 1855

i reckon it's anybody's to win. it's all about the next gameweek.


jazzy - 27-4-2006 at 16:48

i still reckon it'll be el, followed by sam, followed by me. ed's push is just a little too late...


Eleanor Conroy - 28-4-2006 at 23:07

but hopefully my points tally should improve a bit from a week when i had four players (at least) not playing!

i think this whole farce with the england manager started when they announced sven was going. even if we all knew it, they shouldn't have admitted it, because it undermines him during the world cup and leads to ridiculous situations like this for scolari with portugal and the english front runners with their clubs. bloody FA.


Eleanor Conroy - 30-4-2006 at 12:31

as things stand at this (admittedly early) point in the gameweek, sam's overtaken gareth - it's gonna be a very close run thing for second place!


i am sam - 30-4-2006 at 19:29

in the words of the kaiser chiefs: oooohhhhhhhhhh


jazzy - 1-5-2006 at 12:46

still a long way to go this week...


jesus - 1-5-2006 at 15:05

Probably worth knowing that Lampard, Cole and Terry won't play again this season.


dunnerz - 1-5-2006 at 19:59

Quote:
Originally posted by jesus

Probably worth knowing that Lampard, Cole and Terry won't play again this season.



add rooney and owen on that list too


jazzy - 2-5-2006 at 08:17

ooh, i'm only 15 or so points behind el and 40 odd points ahead of sam after last night. lots of my players to play again this week so fingers crossed....


i am sam - 2-5-2006 at 08:21

looks like i'm resigned to third place now...


dunnerz - 4-5-2006 at 09:42

its getting tight at the top

1 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 52 1878
2 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 79 1860
3 party hard sam leppard 29 1810
4 The Gash Peter Jones 47 1727
5 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 58 1721
6 Team Fairy danielle price 42 1719
7 The Rats Ed Lugg 50 1705
8 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 51 1690
9 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 35 1690
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 37 1635
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 48 1614
12 Big Chin FC sam fuller 54 1583
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 46 1567
14 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 24 1534
15 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 50 1532
16 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 28 1525
17 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 39 1518
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 45 1499
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 47 1471
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 47 1250
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 28 1249

plus, henry should play tonight - hey jazzy, if he has a stormer (along with a clean sheet) you could nick 1st place!!!!


jazzy - 4-5-2006 at 09:57

i've got boa morte, henry, toure and eboue playing tonight. if arsenal keep a clean sheet it'll be a close one and if henry or boa morte score i might just nip ahead. i think i've left it a little late though, my money's still on el to win...


jazzy - 5-5-2006 at 08:42

1 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 103 1884
2 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 52 1878
3 party hard sam leppard 32 1813
4 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 74 1737
5 The Gash Peter Jones 50 1730
6 Team Fairy danielle price 52 1729
7 The Rats Ed Lugg 71 1726
8 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 40 1695
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 51 1690
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 47 1645
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 69 1635
12 Big Chin FC sam fuller 82 1611
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 59 1580
14 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 60 1542
15 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 28 1538
16 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 40 1537
17 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 47 1526
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 55 1509
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 52 1476
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 51 1254
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 30 1251


i am sam - 5-5-2006 at 09:59

well, barring some kind of super-performance by either myself or one of the teams below me it looks like i've got third place.

this means having a bit of a stupid transfer day. my strikeforce for the last day of the season will be henry, robbie keane, and van nistelroy. there's got to be some points there, surely? sadly they may be negated by my sunderland defenders and the stupid amount of points all these transfers cost me.


jazzy - 5-5-2006 at 10:24

i've made two transfers at a cost of 4 points. so el's effectively just 2 points behind me...


dunnerz - 5-5-2006 at 10:59

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

i've made two transfers at a cost of 4 points. so el's effectively just 2 points behind me...


going to be a nail biting last day!!


Eleanor Conroy - 6-5-2006 at 10:20

fuck me, 111 points in one week - how can i compete with that?! i need to give some serious thought to what transfers i need to make. Bugger, I still can't believe you're actually going to get revenge for what happened last year!

1 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 111 1892
2 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 57 1883
3 party hard sam leppard 35 1816
4 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 82 1745
5 Team Fairy danielle price 57 1734
6 The Gash Peter Jones 51 1731
7 The Rats Ed Lugg 75 1730
8 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 40 1695
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 54 1693
10 Ginger FC James Dunmore 48 1646
11 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 74 1640
12 Big Chin FC sam fuller 91 1620
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 62 1583
14 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 63 1545
15 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 30 1540
16 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 42 1539
17 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 48 1527
18 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 60 1514
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 56 1480
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 59 1262
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 33 1254


Eleanor Conroy - 7-5-2006 at 17:29

bloody henry


AntManBee - 7-5-2006 at 17:34

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

bloody henry


Absolute fucking cunting bastard.

I'm proud of Spurs because we've had a blinding season, but to lose out on the last day to your bitterest rivals is heart-rending. Still, at least no-one can say they're a one man team


dunnerz - 7-5-2006 at 18:12

fucking sweet as!!!



have that!


AntManBee - 7-5-2006 at 19:14

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

fucking sweet as!!!



have that!


Oozes class like Arsene Wenger!!!

Just kidding James, I guess there's some truth in the cliche that the table doesn't lie.

Still, I'm going to enjoy it all the more if (when?) Barca dick all over Arsenal in 10 days time!!

What did I say about class again?


dunnerz - 8-5-2006 at 08:12

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

fucking sweet as!!!



have that!


Oozes class like Arsene Wenger!!!

Just kidding James, I guess there's some truth in the cliche that the table doesn't lie.

Still, I'm going to enjoy it all the more if (when?) Barca dick all over Arsenal in 10 days time!!

What did I say about class again?



just like Real and Juve were "supposed" to do
(im not saying they wont tho!)


Colin DIS - 8-5-2006 at 08:15

THE FINAL TABLE!!!

1 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 59 1939
2 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 30 1909
3 party hard sam leppard 34 1838
4 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 51 1796
5 The Rats Ed Lugg 55 1781
6 Team Fairy danielle price 34 1768
7 The Gash Peter Jones 12 1743
8 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 15 1710
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 12 1705
10 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 51 1691
11 Ginger FC James Dunmore 23 1661
12 Big Chin FC sam fuller 37 1657
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 34 1617
14 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 38 1578
15 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 17 1562
16 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 45 1559
17 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 18 1557
18 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 21 1548
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 40 1520
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 19 1281
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 22 1276

I beat Dunnerz. Job dun, I mean done


dunnerz - 8-5-2006 at 08:46

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

THE FINAL TABLE!!!

1 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 59 1939
2 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 30 1909
3 party hard sam leppard 34 1838
4 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 51 1796
5 The Rats Ed Lugg 55 1781
6 Team Fairy danielle price 34 1768
7 The Gash Peter Jones 12 1743
8 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 15 1710
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 12 1705
10 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 51 1691
11 Ginger FC James Dunmore 23 1661
12 Big Chin FC sam fuller 37 1657
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 34 1617
14 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 38 1578
15 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 17 1562
16 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 45 1559
17 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 18 1557
18 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 21 1548
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 40 1520
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 19 1281
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 22 1276

I beat Dunnerz. Job dun, I mean done



it was a good battle tho!! well played sir!

looks like jazzy piped first!


jazzy - 8-5-2006 at 08:54


jazzy - 8-5-2006 at 08:55

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

as things stand at this (admittedly early) point in the gameweek, sam's overtaken gareth - it's gonna be a very close run thing for second place!


not really, you were miles ahead of sam


jazzy - 8-5-2006 at 09:15

incidentally, the actim bonus is still to be added so that table isn't the finished one...


jazzy - 8-5-2006 at 14:15

1 check the cone-tract Gareth Oughton 66 1946
2 meet the beat-alls Eleanor Conroy 34 1913
3 party hard sam leppard 39 1843
4 Rejected Virgins Gavin Dillow 60 1805
5 The Rats Ed Lugg 64 1790
6 Team Fairy danielle price 37 1771
7 The Gash Peter Jones 12 1743
8 Boys Ahoy Colin Brightwell 15 1710
9 FC Absent Kid Martin Williams 14 1707
10 Weston Wanderers Colin Weston 57 1697
11 Big Chin FC sam fuller 43 1663
12 Ginger FC James Dunmore 23 1661
13 jumping jack flash Jack Burrell 39 1622
14 Here To Beat Ginger Chris Helson 38 1578
15 Grooving units Abe Mortimer 18 1563
16 Nome's gnomes naomi sephton 47 1561
17 Ben Folds XI Ed Barnes 20 1559
18 Dynamo TC Tom Clarke 21 1548
19 sugar diamonds clark girdlestone 40 1520
20 Gorleston Wanderers Robert Watson 20 1282
21 pigs_in_blankets corrine christian 22 1276


AntManBee - 8-5-2006 at 14:48

At least I got 4th place


Eleanor Conroy - 8-5-2006 at 14:53

so are we gonna do the world cup one on that website?


Colin DIS - 8-5-2006 at 14:56

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

so are we gonna do the world cup one on that website?


I'm in.


dunnerz - 8-5-2006 at 15:02

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

so are we gonna do the world cup one on that website?


have u got the link for it?

there are loads of other world cup prediction type fanstasy league ones on other sites otherwise.


jazzy - 8-5-2006 at 15:04

the world cup one doesn't start until 15th may so i'll set a league up on monday. the premier league one is a bit funny as it only includes players who are based at a premier league club so no ronaldinho etc....


Colin DIS - 8-5-2006 at 15:20

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

the world cup one doesn't start until 15th may so i'll set a league up on monday. the premier league one is a bit funny as it only includes players who are based at a premier league club so no ronaldinho etc....


Thats rubbish! Find a better one!


jazzy - 9-5-2006 at 08:51

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/4753177.stm

tourette-happy goalkeeper tim howard has signed for everton.

[Edited on 9-5-2006 by jazzy]


clarkogir - 9-5-2006 at 09:04

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/4753177.stm

tourette-happy goalkeeper tim howard has signed for everton.

[Edited on 9-5-2006 by jazzy]


aw, american team names, New York New Jersey Metro Stars, classic


dunnerz - 9-5-2006 at 09:18

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/4753177.stm

tourette-happy goalkeeper tim howard has signed for everton.

[Edited on 9-5-2006 by jazzy]


along with phil nevile - your becomming the man u b team

rude van donkey face could be next ;


dunnerz - 9-5-2006 at 11:31

Quote:
Originally posted by AntManBee

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

fucking sweet as!!!



have that!


Oozes class like Arsene Wenger!!!

Just kidding James, I guess there's some truth in the cliche that the table doesn't lie.

Still, I'm going to enjoy it all the more if (when?) Barca dick all over Arsenal in 10 days time!!

What did I say about class again?



this is class

Quote:

a few words from mr henry:

"On to matters Arsenal and the captain was speaking yesterday about us finishing in 4th place. Those of you that saw the Sky interview after the game will have seen him make the point, quite strongly, that when Spurs beat Bolton their fans were singing"Are you watching Arsenal?"to which he said "Yes, we were watching but you have to play to the end of the season and now we are 4th *pauses to make scornful grin at the camera* and we're going to play in the Champions League final".

Beautiful stuff. And does he have any sympathy for Spurs after their illness scare? He does not.

I heard they had people with food poisoning, but the only thing I can say is: did anyone bother when we had nine players out? No. They were saying"Arsenal are not playing well", "Arsenal are not the team they used to be". But that is how it is in the game - sometimes you do have people are ill, or turn up with a headache and are not on the team sheet. That is the way it is."





(yes, before you say it, shame he might not be playing for us next season)


Eleanor Conroy - 9-5-2006 at 14:06

i quite like the idea of doing a prem only world cup fantasy football thing - i'd be at much less of a disadvantage because i never watch any other leagues!


jazzy - 9-5-2006 at 14:07

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

i quite like the idea of doing a prem only world cup fantasy football thing - i'd be at much less of a disadvantage because i never watch any other leagues!


you didn't watch enough of the premier league to be honest either. almost enough but not quite


dunnerz - 9-5-2006 at 16:03

surely this cant happen

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/4755491.stm


west ham wont want it before or after the fa cup game

this is desperate - sorry spurs - you were 8 players down - unlucky


thelikelylad - 9-5-2006 at 17:52

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

surely this cant happen

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/4755491.stm


west ham wont want it before or after the fa cup game

this is desperate - sorry spurs - you were 8 players down - unlucky

it seems to random to happen. its a shame it has ended up how it has but excusing the cliche 'thats football'


dunnerz - 10-5-2006 at 08:40

Quote:
Originally posted by thelikelylad

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

surely this cant happen

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/4755491.stm


west ham wont want it before or after the fa cup game

this is desperate - sorry spurs - you were 8 players down - unlucky

it seems to random to happen. its a shame it has ended up how it has but excusing the cliche 'thats football'



it would cause too much controvosy.

I mean, when we (arsenal) played west ham, we were 6 first choice defenders down, then another walked out at half time - it would be like us turning around and asking for a replay because we were disadvantaged. silly stuff


Colin DIS - 10-5-2006 at 08:45

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

it would cause too much controvosy.

I mean, when we (arsenal) played west ham, we were 6 first choice defenders down, then another walked out at half time - it would be like us turning around and asking for a replay because we were disadvantaged. silly stuff


The two instances are uncomparable. 6 defenders were injured over different stages of the season and one player walked out because at the time he was mental wreck. He never should have started. Injuries vs. possible deliberate food poisioning ruling out potentially a whole team?


jazzy - 10-5-2006 at 08:47

i can see their point though. 8-10 players who were fully fit the night before the game all of a sudden come down with suspicious food poisoning - its very different to knowing in advacnce that some of your players are going to be out of action.

it won't come to anything but it is worth asking in my opinion...


dunnerz - 10-5-2006 at 09:15

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

i can see their point though. 8-10 players who were fully fit the night before the game all of a sudden come down with suspicious food poisoning - its very different to knowing in advacnce that some of your players are going to be out of action.

it won't come to anything but it is worth asking in my opinion...


yeah - i dont blame them for asking, but a team has to deal with injuries - especially a team who has played the least number of games than all the other premiership clubs this season.

If I was a spurs fan/natural, I'd actually be most annoyed withe the FA for not allowing a 24 hour delay (or at least being clear of the reprecussions of a 24 hour delay, etc.)


Mercury Rising - 10-5-2006 at 12:05

If it had happened earlier in the season then I think it's very likely they would have been given a postponement (although not definite as Middlesborough found a few years back) but I don't see how and when they would have found the time to replay that game, given West Ham's cup final commitments and the departure of the England squad, along with the need if at all possible to play that and the Arsenal game at the same time, the impossibility of delaying both of them on the day because of the journey home for the Wigan fans, or of postponing because of Arsenal's champion's league adventure. I think it's just one of those things, there isn't a very fair way out of the situation and nothing much that can be done.


i am sam - 10-5-2006 at 16:42

right. i'm off home to order some kind of tasty takeaway food, put my feet up and watch the uefa cup final.

in the meantime, as much as i'm a bit of a closet arsenal fan, i felt the need to repost this quote which amused me greatly.

"Thierry Henry and many gooners have talked about having nine players out this season. The only time this happened was when four were at the ACN! Until someone can persuade me that Arsene Wenger was woken at 5am on the morning of a game to be told the shock news that Toure and Eboue were feeling a bit Ivorian I will ignore such claims."


jesus - 10-5-2006 at 21:05

Ah, poor Boro. That was actually quite a boring game, never mind.


dunnerz - 11-5-2006 at 08:36

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

right. i'm off home to order some kind of tasty takeaway food, put my feet up and watch the uefa cup final.

in the meantime, as much as i'm a bit of a closet arsenal fan, i felt the need to repost this quote which amused me greatly.

"Thierry Henry and many gooners have talked about having nine players out this season. The only time this happened was when four were at the ACN! Until someone can persuade me that Arsene Wenger was woken at 5am on the morning of a game to be told the shock news that Toure and Eboue were feeling a bit Ivorian I will ignore such claims."


that is qutie funny - but he wasnt told until an hour before kick off that he would not be able to use toure and eboue in that FA Cup game

anyway - found out that spurs have 52 players on thier books - and they couldnt find a fit starting 11


by the way sam - we are planning to watch the final next week in london in the finsbury park area, if your interested??


poor boro - 4 nil wasnt really true reflection, but sevilla deserved the win out of that.


jazzy - 11-5-2006 at 10:59

go steve mcclaren!


i am sam - 11-5-2006 at 11:44

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

by the way sam - we are planning to watch the final next week in london in the finsbury park area, if your interested??


thanks for the offer, but sadly i'm going to be stuck in a field in brighton whilst it's on. of all the days for my work to organise a trip to see another theatre production it would have to be this one.


Eleanor Conroy - 11-5-2006 at 12:09

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

i quite like the idea of doing a prem only world cup fantasy football thing - i'd be at much less of a disadvantage because i never watch any other leagues!


you didn't watch enough of the premier league to be honest either. almost enough but not quite


ooh, fuck you! i could've sold my soul and picked man u or arsenal players, but i didn't. where would you have been this season without henry? he's the only reason i didn't win this year and you know it!

i can understand why spurs appealed, but it was never gonna happen. does anyone honestly think it was deliberate, by the way? i think it was just very bad luck. The FA probably should've postponed it at least a day (i don't see why they couldn't leave the arsenal game where it was) but once arsenal had had all their celebrations it would've been way too harsh to take it away from them by forcing a replay, plus it would've seriously damaged west ham's chances in the cup.


jazzy - 11-5-2006 at 12:24

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

i quite like the idea of doing a prem only world cup fantasy football thing - i'd be at much less of a disadvantage because i never watch any other leagues!


you didn't watch enough of the premier league to be honest either. almost enough but not quite


ooh, fuck you! i could've sold my soul and picked man u or arsenal players, but i didn't. where would you have been this season without henry? he's the only reason i didn't win this year and you know it!



considering chelsea's main rivals these days appear to be liverpool, it amuses me no end that you continue to pick them. and chelsea's problem was always with spurs and west ham. not arsenal

all in jest though my dear, all in jest...


Eleanor Conroy - 11-5-2006 at 13:58

I know liverpool are possibly a bigger threat, but arsenal are the nearest premiership club to where i grew up so everyone else always supported them, so naturally i hated them! and of course everyone hates man u for obvious reasons.

also, i would like to point out that the swear editor (unusually) made what i said worse. bloody simon!


dunnerz - 11-5-2006 at 14:51

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

I know liverpool are possibly a bigger threat, but arsenal are the nearest premiership club to where i grew up so everyone else always supported them, so naturally i hated them! and of course everyone hates man u for obvious reasons.

also, i would like to point out that the swear editor (unusually) made what i said worse. bloody simon!


illogical or even logical hating of teams is what being a football fan is all about - unless is leeds, in which case there is no reason needed.

(i try not to ever put spurs or man u players in my team (for obvious reasons tho!))


jazzy - 12-5-2006 at 11:17

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/4963230.stm


dunnerz - 15-5-2006 at 09:10

the fa cup final as to be commented on

what a brilliant brilliant game.

liverpool really rode thier luck again, but thats what cup final football is all about (some of the cup luck for arsenal on wednesday please).

brilliant advert for english football and the FA Cup.


jazzy - 15-5-2006 at 09:14

much like last year's champions league final, there were moments of exhilarating highs and crushing lows.


jazzy - 15-5-2006 at 09:19

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/4771709.stm


dunnerz - 15-5-2006 at 09:22

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/4771709.stm


£34million is very good for a 4 year deal.

well, at least thompson isnt thier only link to europe now

incidently, has anyone else heard the rumours that marriot may be sueing them (for loss of business) about the food posiening claims (after it was found it was a viral infection instead).


Spark Tarpauline - 15-5-2006 at 09:39

I'd heard we were going to get LG but £34m for four years is pretty impressive


Eleanor Conroy - 16-5-2006 at 14:00

well, it may be bye bye william gallas, but that's hardly a massive surprise, if a bit of a disappointment anyway. mind you, hello ballack soothes it a bit! Although we hardly need him, it's nice to have another midfielder that can make up for our lack of strikers!


jazzy - 16-5-2006 at 14:39

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

well, it may be bye bye william gallas, but that's hardly a massive surprise, if a bit of a disappointment anyway. mind you, hello ballack soothes it a bit! Although we hardly need him, it's nice to have another midfielder that can make up for our lack of strikers!


i think he'll be awesome and you will need him because makelele is 33 and won't be able to play 2 games a week so essien will probably rotate with him in that holding role. essien hasn't exactly set the world on fire playing a little further forward so ballack will probably slot in there nicely.

still can't believe you're paying him £135,000 a week though.....


AntManBee - 16-5-2006 at 14:43

Quote:
Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

I'd heard we were going to get LG but £34m for four years is pretty impressive


Have you seen the new kit? Not quite as tacky as Man Utd's, but still pretty shoddy. I hope the 2nd and 3rd kits are better...


dunnerz - 16-5-2006 at 15:00

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

well, it may be bye bye william gallas, but that's hardly a massive surprise, if a bit of a disappointment anyway. mind you, hello ballack soothes it a bit! Although we hardly need him, it's nice to have another midfielder that can make up for our lack of strikers!


i think he'll be awesome and you will need him because makelele is 33 and won't be able to play 2 games a week so essien will probably rotate with him in that holding role. essien hasn't exactly set the world on fire playing a little further forward so ballack will probably slot in there nicely.

still can't believe you're paying him £135,000 a week though.....


i hope he flops

probably wont tho,

but dont really think he'll be worth £135,000 a week


Colin DIS - 16-5-2006 at 19:29

Firstly, no player is worth £135k per week. No-one.

Secondly, best thing I have heard yet about why Barcelona should win tomorrow by the awesome Dean Ayass :-

'Arsenal are about as English as a Mariachi band playing "Jambalaya" by The Gypsy Kings in the main square of Guadalajara during a Cinco de Mayo celebration'


dunnerz - 17-5-2006 at 08:13

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Firstly, no player is worth £135k per week. No-one.

Secondly, best thing I have heard yet about why Barcelona should win tomorrow by the awesome Dean Ayass :-

'Arsenal are about as English as a Mariachi band playing "Jambalaya" by The Gypsy Kings in the main square of Guadalajara during a Cinco de Mayo celebration'


yes, sorry, i forgot, arsenal have thier 93 year old stadium in the capital of england, with english owners (/chairmen, as opposed to a russian or american) and 3 players called up to the england squad (and unless i'm very much mistaken, 3 players is about the same amount as most of the clubs who have had players called up, only difference is that 2 of our players actually stand a chance of starting (spurs)).

not to mention, that arsenal will have the same amount of english starters as liverpool did last year.

dont get me wrong, i'd love arsenal to have 1 or 2 more english starters in the squad, but then again, most of the english "talent" are unprofessional money grabbing nobs.


TC - 17-5-2006 at 08:32

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Firstly, no player is worth £135k per week. No-one.

Secondly, best thing I have heard yet about why Barcelona should win tomorrow by the awesome Dean Ayass :-

'Arsenal are about as English as a Mariachi band playing "Jambalaya" by The Gypsy Kings in the main square of Guadalajara during a Cinco de Mayo celebration'


yes, sorry, i forgot, arsenal have thier 93 year old stadium in the capital of england, with english owners (/chairmen, as opposed to a russian or american) and 3 players called up to the england squad (and unless i'm very much mistaken, 3 players is about the same amount as most of the clubs who have had players called up, only difference is that 2 of our players actually stand a chance of starting (spurs)).

not to mention, that arsenal will have the same amount of english starters as liverpool did last year.

dont get me wrong, i'd love arsenal to have 1 or 2 more english starters in the squad, but then again, most of the english "talent" are unprofessional money grabbing nobs.


As much as I agree with what you are saying and Liverpool last year were as English as gorgonzola, I'm not convinced some of the international talent is here entirely for the football either. Plus I don't think many of them are moneygrabbing nobs, its more the fact that they are paid more than they know what to do with, unless you are Robbie Fowler and you invest in the property market!!! (though that could be down to better advisers than other players have)


dunnerz - 17-5-2006 at 08:47

Quote:
Originally posted by TC

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

Firstly, no player is worth £135k per week. No-one.

Secondly, best thing I have heard yet about why Barcelona should win tomorrow by the awesome Dean Ayass :-

'Arsenal are about as English as a Mariachi band playing "Jambalaya" by The Gypsy Kings in the main square of Guadalajara during a Cinco de Mayo celebration'


yes, sorry, i forgot, arsenal have thier 93 year old stadium in the capital of england, with english owners (/chairmen, as opposed to a russian or american) and 3 players called up to the england squad (and unless i'm very much mistaken, 3 players is about the same amount as most of the clubs who have had players called up, only difference is that 2 of our players actually stand a chance of starting (spurs)).

not to mention, that arsenal will have the same amount of english starters as liverpool did last year.

dont get me wrong, i'd love arsenal to have 1 or 2 more english starters in the squad, but then again, most of the english "talent" are unprofessional money grabbing nobs.


As much as I agree with what you are saying and Liverpool last year were as English as gorgonzola, I'm not convinced some of the international talent is here entirely for the football either. Plus I don't think many of them are moneygrabbing nobs, its more the fact that they are paid more than they know what to do with, unless you are Robbie Fowler and you invest in the property market!!! (though that could be down to better advisers than other players have)



not all, sorry was on a rant, but compare rooney with is granny shagging celb life style with Henry, who tries as hard as he can to keep out of the lime light when not playing - doesnt drink, doenst go out clubbing, and tries to live a simple quiet family life.

I mean, in reference to my first point, wengers experience of young english talent - (for example, Pennant) - is hardly complemtary, so you wouldn't blame him if he'd prefer to work with international players who are dedicated to the game, who cost a fraction to buy, and are not on the very high saleries.

[Edited on 17/5/2006 by dunnerz]


jazzy - 17-5-2006 at 08:50

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

i hope he flops

probably wont tho,

but dont really think he'll be worth £135,000 a week


it's like what happened with sol campbell when he started pocketing £99,000 a week at arsenal though isn't it - chelsea aren't actually paying anything for him so can afford to pay a lot more for his wages. you'd expect to pay anywhere in the region of £30 million for ballack so by paying £6 million a season for three years, they've only paid £18 million for him. he'll end up being about £9-10 million cheaper than jose reyes come the end of the deal because arsenal paid £17 million in a transfer fee and then about £2 million a season for 5 years in wages to him.


jazzy - 17-5-2006 at 09:00

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/4989122.stm

never seen the chap in real life but he's a must purchase on football manager. potentially good work by spurs....


dunnerz - 17-5-2006 at 09:08

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

i hope he flops

probably wont tho,

but dont really think he'll be worth £135,000 a week


it's like what happened with sol campbell when he started pocketing £99,000 a week at arsenal though isn't it - chelsea aren't actually paying anything for him so can afford to pay a lot more for his wages. you'd expect to pay anywhere in the region of £30 million for ballack so by paying £6 million a season for three years, they've only paid £18 million for him. he'll end up being about £9-10 million cheaper than jose reyes come the end of the deal because arsenal paid £17 million in a transfer fee and then about £2 million a season for 5 years in wages to him.



yeah, when you put it like that, it makes more sense i suppose

saying that, i'd still rather spend more money on a younger talent (okay, reyes has been quite iffy more than not), that you can develop and mould into your team, rather than an established player who is going to take a season or 2 to get used to the prem, and can only have 3-4 more years left on him.


jazzy - 17-5-2006 at 09:23

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Originally posted by dunnerz

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i hope he flops

probably wont tho,

but dont really think he'll be worth £135,000 a week


it's like what happened with sol campbell when he started pocketing £99,000 a week at arsenal though isn't it - chelsea aren't actually paying anything for him so can afford to pay a lot more for his wages. you'd expect to pay anywhere in the region of £30 million for ballack so by paying £6 million a season for three years, they've only paid £18 million for him. he'll end up being about £9-10 million cheaper than jose reyes come the end of the deal because arsenal paid £17 million in a transfer fee and then about £2 million a season for 5 years in wages to him.



yeah, when you put it like that, it makes more sense i suppose

saying that, i'd still rather spend more money on a younger talent (okay, reyes has been quite iffy more than not), that you can develop and mould into your team, rather than an established player who is going to take a season or 2 to get used to the prem, and can only have 3-4 more years left on him.



i'd be very suprised if ballack didn't fit right into chelsea's system. basically he's a tougher frank lampard and with a holding midfielder like essien or makelele behind them, those two will cause havoc next season. i wouldn't mind betting they both finish with more than 20 goals for the season...


dunnerz - 17-5-2006 at 09:34

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Originally posted by jazzy

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Originally posted by dunnerz

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Originally posted by jazzy

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Originally posted by dunnerz

i hope he flops

probably wont tho,

but dont really think he'll be worth £135,000 a week


it's like what happened with sol campbell when he started pocketing £99,000 a week at arsenal though isn't it - chelsea aren't actually paying anything for him so can afford to pay a lot more for his wages. you'd expect to pay anywhere in the region of £30 million for ballack so by paying £6 million a season for three years, they've only paid £18 million for him. he'll end up being about £9-10 million cheaper than jose reyes come the end of the deal because arsenal paid £17 million in a transfer fee and then about £2 million a season for 5 years in wages to him.



yeah, when you put it like that, it makes more sense i suppose

saying that, i'd still rather spend more money on a younger talent (okay, reyes has been quite iffy more than not), that you can develop and mould into your team, rather than an established player who is going to take a season or 2 to get used to the prem, and can only have 3-4 more years left on him.



i'd be very suprised if ballack didn't fit right into chelsea's system. basically he's a tougher frank lampard and with a holding midfielder like essien or makelele behind them, those two will cause havoc next season. i wouldn't mind betting they both finish with more than 20 goals for the season...



trouble is (with Ballack), he will be going straight from the world cup, and be going from playing 25(? i think) league games a season, to 38, without a 3 week winter break.

he will be shit hot until about christmas, but I can see a dip around christmas (saying that, chelsea have a big enough team to rotate him a bit).

[Edited on 17/5/2006 by dunnerz]


i am sam - 17-5-2006 at 11:07

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Originally posted by jazzy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/4989122.stm

never seen the chap in real life but he's a must purchase on football manager. potentially good work by spurs....


much like sergei rebrov back in 2000 then.


jazzy - 17-5-2006 at 11:13

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Originally posted by i am sam

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Originally posted by jazzy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/4989122.stm

never seen the chap in real life but he's a must purchase on football manager. potentially good work by spurs....


much like sergei rebrov back in 2000 then.


heheh, here's hoping that he's a touch better than that for spurs' sake...


Colin DIS - 17-5-2006 at 19:27

Should Lehmann be sent off? TO the laws of the game, yes. Last man, foul on the striker, ref blew. Harsh but can't really be debated. Did Eboue do the worst dive ever to get a free kick for Arsenals goal. YES!!!!


Eleanor Conroy - 18-5-2006 at 00:16

thank you gareth for pointing out he was free - makes the wages seem much more bearable! you're probably right about makelele, i hadn't really thought about that. and you're right about the goals too, which is why i think he's a great signing and i'm really excited to see him play for us! i suppose i just keep thinking we need to strengthen our strikeforce before we buy another midfielder, but i don't really know who we could get up front.

incidentally, does anyone know what's going on with crespo? i thought it was more or less a foregone conclusion that he was leaving at the end of this season, but i haven't heard anything about it for ages.

didn't see the final cos i was seeing kula shaker (brilliant they were too!), but from the description on the bbc it sounds like arsenal have some cause for complaint with barca's 1st goal being offside, but that arsenal shouldn't have had the free kick that led to their 1st goal so it balances out. Fair summary?

and james, i would say i was sorry, but that's karma for wishing ballack'd be a flop!


Colin DIS - 18-5-2006 at 07:49

The ref was incompetent. Was there bias? I am not sure because he was just plain rubbish full stop! Do I feel for Arsenal? A little, yeah.

[Edited on 18-5-2006 by Colin DIS]


dunnerz - 18-5-2006 at 08:17

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

The ref was incompetent. Was there biased? I am not sure because he was just plain rubbish full stop! Do I feel for Arsenal? A little, yeah.


ref was rubbish, but we had a couple of chances to make it 2-0 just before thier first went in.

oh well


Mercury Rising - 18-5-2006 at 08:23

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Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

The ref was incompetent. Was there biased? I am not sure because he was just plain rubbish full stop! Do I feel for Arsenal? A little, yeah.


ref was rubbish, but we had a couple of chances to make it 2-0 just before thier first went in.

oh well


Absolutely.


jazzy - 18-5-2006 at 08:34

henry should have had two last night and lehmann should have been allowed to stay on and barca given the goal. that would have made things more interesting. i also think lehmann would have saved at least one of the barca goals. still, what ifs and maybes are useless aren't they!

anyway, arsenal did themselves proud last night. playing the best team in europe with only 10 men for most of the game.


Mercury Rising - 18-5-2006 at 08:35

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Originally posted by jazzy

henry should have had two last night and lehmann should have been allowed to stay on and barca given the goal. that would have made things more interesting. i also think lehmann would have saved at least one of the barca goals. still, what ifs and maybes are useless aren't they!

anyway, arsenal did themselves proud last night. playing the best team in europe with only 10 men for most of the game.

Again, absolutely


jesus - 18-5-2006 at 08:39

I didn't see it because I had to go to the Nottingham Institute of Neuroscience annual dinner. I bet you're all well jealous.

Anyway, to summarise, what's the fuss about the ref? From what I can tell, Lehmann deserved to be off. Henry seems pissed off about Eto'o's goal, but Arsenal got theirs through a blatant dive, right? Seems fair to me. Was he just biased all the way through or something?


jazzy - 18-5-2006 at 08:39

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Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

thank you gareth for pointing out he was free - makes the wages seem much more bearable! you're probably right about makelele, i hadn't really thought about that. and you're right about the goals too, which is why i think he's a great signing and i'm really excited to see him play for us! i suppose i just keep thinking we need to strengthen our strikeforce before we buy another midfielder, but i don't really know who we could get up front.

incidentally, does anyone know what's going on with crespo? i thought it was more or less a foregone conclusion that he was leaving at the end of this season, but i haven't heard anything about it for ages.


it depends what system mourinho wants to play next season. if he's playing 4-3-2-1 like this season then he needs someone tall and/or mobile to play up front. i don't think shevchenko or tevez are the right sort for that system but if he moves to a 4-4-2 (most likely the diamond formation with no wingers, one defensive midfielder and one attacking midfielder) then those two would fit in perfectly. solomon kalou who he's also been looking at might fit the bill better for his current system. eto'o would be perfect of course and if barca buy henry, it wouldn't suprise me to see eto'o at chelsea next season. the purchase of ballack suggests that he'll stick with 4-3-2-1 but we'll have to see what happens with robben and wright-phillips soo because wide players are very important in that system too.

anyway, we're loking at fun and games in the transfer gossip all summer basically!


Mercury Rising - 18-5-2006 at 08:45

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Originally posted by jesus

I didn't see it because I had to go to the Nottingham Institute of Neuroscience annual dinner. I bet you're all well jealous.

Anyway, to summarise, what's the fuss about the ref? From what I can tell, Lehmann deserved to be off. Henry seems pissed off about Eto'o's goal, but Arsenal got theirs through a blatant dive, right? Seems fair to me. Was he just biased all the way through or something?


I thought Eto'o's goal was too close to call, to be honest, and as such clearly should have stood. The ref was over fussy and quick with the cards with Arsenal (Lehman aside) and pretty indulgent of Barca. If Ljunberg (who I thought was very good indeed last night) and Henry had been a bit sharper we could have been 3 or 4 up before they scored. As it was they worked hard and played well and in the end couldn't last it out in those circumstances.

As to Lehman's sending off, I was fairly sure in myself that of course the ref should have given them the advantage and the goal, but then I realised that if that's what I wanted it probably wasn't what they wanted. I think the ref probably did the right thing there.


dunnerz - 18-5-2006 at 08:48

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Originally posted by jesus

I didn't see it because I had to go to the Nottingham Institute of Neuroscience annual dinner. I bet you're all well jealous.

Anyway, to summarise, what's the fuss about the ref? From what I can tell, Lehmann deserved to be off. Henry seems pissed off about Eto'o's goal, but Arsenal got theirs through a blatant dive, right? Seems fair to me. Was he just biased all the way through or something?


Lehman should have been off - and at the time we all agreed its better to be 0-0 with 10, than 1-0 with 11

As Henry pointed out, thier centre backs should have been on a yellow - henry was kicked all around the field - if they were on yellows it would have been a different game.

He was very inconsistant to both teams, but slightly more biased towards barca (booking henry for a perfectly good tackle - in which he was fouled himself)

ETO's first goal was offside, but then again, as I said, we should have taken the earlier chances


incidently, i've got a huge cut on my shin where i jumped off my chair to celebrate our goal.

i've also lost my voice

and whats more annoying, i've taken today off, as I knew I would be hungover (Which I am), but I've got one of those hangovers where you cant sleep, even tho you feel like you need to- so here i am!!!


jazzy - 18-5-2006 at 08:54

the other thing i meant to say was that kolo toure's performance at the back last night was one of the best defensive games i've seen for a very long time. wenger's done an amazing job with him...


dunnerz - 18-5-2006 at 08:56

by the way, given his comments, does anyone else think that henry is now going to stay at arsenal

the things like "I didnt even see Ronaldinho, or Eto in that game", and "we will have to regroup for next year"

I really dont think that he liked Barcas game play.

plus, now he definetly has something to proove if he stays at arsenal.


jesus - 18-5-2006 at 09:25

Ah well, bad luck Arsenal. Sounds like it was a pretty good game, anyway.


jazzy - 18-5-2006 at 11:18


dunnerz - 18-5-2006 at 11:34



yeah - that is funny

by the way - remember this for pub quizes in a few years time:
Jens Lehman - first player to ever be sent off in a champions league final


dunnerz - 18-5-2006 at 12:22

this really does not help
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4993994.stm


Eleanor Conroy - 18-5-2006 at 12:23

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Originally posted by jazzy

anyway, arsenal did themselves proud last night. playing the best team in europe with only 10 men for most of the game.

hmmm, now why does that sound familiar?! although they're not the best team in europe by the way. at least (from the sounds of things) lehmann deserved to be sent off, unlike del horno (or drogba the previous year).

the refereeing in the champions league is appalling, when are they going to sort it out? it's not like english referees are exactly fabulous, but they are starting to look pretty good in comparison.


Colin DIS - 18-5-2006 at 12:50

Who do you think is the best team in Europe then El? I would say Barca are. Not jjust on their players but their dominance in the Spanish league and in Europe. I don't see anyone even comparable really...


Eleanor Conroy - 18-5-2006 at 13:41

have a guess!


dunnerz - 18-5-2006 at 13:59

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Originally posted by Colin DIS

Who do you think is the best team in Europe then El? I would say Barca are. Not jjust on their players but their dominance in the Spanish league and in Europe. I don't see anyone even comparable really...


Dominance in eurpope - only thier 2nd champions league title. You can't really base how good a team is on a cup run in the champions league - yes you need a certain level of skill - cup football is always about luck

the detbate really is is la liga better than the premiership? - judging how premiership teams have been near enough equally matched to spainish teams in the cups this year, its really a tough one (but id say the premiership is better!)

hey, incidently - baraca are also the dirtist team in the champions league, giving away the most fouls - is that a sign of a good team too


dunnerz - 18-5-2006 at 14:02

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Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

anyway, arsenal did themselves proud last night. playing the best team in europe with only 10 men for most of the game.

hmmm, now why does that sound familiar?! although they're not the best team in europe by the way. at least (from the sounds of things) lehmann deserved to be sent off, unlike del horno (or drogba the previous year).

the refereeing in the champions league is appalling, when are they going to sort it out? it's not like english referees are exactly fabulous, but they are starting to look pretty good in comparison.



apparntly - they dont allow the champions league/uefa cup finalist refs, ref any game in the world cup, because of any flow over from games, etc (would any england fan want the ref from last night) - so this ref, was picked from the refs who were not on the world cup list

in other words, he is not good enough to ref in the world cup, but is good enough to ref the most prestigous footballing event outside of the world cup.


crazy


jazzy - 18-5-2006 at 14:10

barcelona's style makes them the best team to watch in europe without question and the fact that they've won two titles on the bounce in the best league in europe (anyone who genuinally thinks the premier league is better than la liga is a moron) would suggest they are the best team at the moment. i think chelsea will come back next season even better than they are at the moment (a close second best team in europe) so next season will be interesting. chelsea will never win awards for style but their relentless, boorish tactics suffocate all but the very best teams in europe. when they can add more of an attacking edge to their game then they'll be better than barca i reckon and ballack is certainly a step in the right direction...


dunnerz - 18-5-2006 at 14:32

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

barcelona's style makes them the best team to watch in europe without question and the fact that they've won two titles on the bounce in the best league in europe (anyone who genuinally thinks the premier league is better than la liga is a moron) would suggest they are the best team at the moment. i think chelsea will come back next season even better than they are at the moment (a close second best team in europe) so next season will be interesting. chelsea will never win awards for style but their relentless, boorish tactics suffocate all but the very best teams in europe. when they can add more of an attacking edge to their game then they'll be better than barca i reckon and ballack is certainly a step in the right direction...


thanks

actually, i'll retract what i said about premiership being better, they are just different, and i'd prefer to watch most premiership games over a spanish game. so many different aspects to both, you just cant compare

for example, no matter how amazing ronaldinho is, he was never that great in the french league (compared to how he is now), which is quite fast paced at time - and can you imagine barca playing against bolton/blackburn in a premiership match (i.e. premiership refs) - cant see any of their flair players (especially ronaldinho) having any time on the ball to create thier magic - if he attempted any of his fancy footwork, he'd just recieve a boot - much like why players like reyes, cristinao ronadlo spend most of thier time on their arse. Saying that, put some premiership teams into the spanish league, and they would be ripped apart compeltly.


just for the record - i think barca are the best domestic team (playing the best football) in the world at the moment - although not quite as brilliant as most people make them out to be.


i am sam - 18-5-2006 at 14:34

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

anyway, arsenal did themselves proud last night. playing the best team in europe with only 10 men for most of the game.

hmmm, now why does that sound familiar?! although they're not the best team in europe by the way. at least (from the sounds of things) lehmann deserved to be sent off, unlike del horno (or drogba the previous year).

the refereeing in the champions league is appalling, when are they going to sort it out? it's not like english referees are exactly fabulous, but they are starting to look pretty good in comparison.



apparntly - they dont allow the champions league/uefa cup finalist refs, ref any game in the world cup, because of any flow over from games, etc (would any england fan want the ref from last night) - so this ref, was picked from the refs who were not on the world cup list

in other words, he is not good enough to ref in the world cup, but is good enough to ref the most prestigous footballing event outside of the world cup.


crazy


they had to change one of the linesmen the day before because he was photographed wearing a barcelona shirt.


jazzy - 18-5-2006 at 14:38

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

barcelona's style makes them the best team to watch in europe without question and the fact that they've won two titles on the bounce in the best league in europe (anyone who genuinally thinks the premier league is better than la liga is a moron) would suggest they are the best team at the moment. i think chelsea will come back next season even better than they are at the moment (a close second best team in europe) so next season will be interesting. chelsea will never win awards for style but their relentless, boorish tactics suffocate all but the very best teams in europe. when they can add more of an attacking edge to their game then they'll be better than barca i reckon and ballack is certainly a step in the right direction...


thanks

actually, i'll retract what i said about premiership being better, they are just different, and i'd prefer to watch most premiership games over a spanish game. so many different aspects to both, you just cant compare

for example, no matter how amazing ronaldinho is, he was never that great in the french league (compared to how he is now), which is quite fast paced at time - and can you imagine barca playing against bolton/blackburn in a premiership match (i.e. premiership refs) - cant see any of their flair players (especially ronaldinho) having any time on the ball to create thier magic - if he attempted any of his fancy footwork, he'd just recieve a boot - much like why players like reyes, cristinao ronadlo spend most of thier time on their arse. Saying that, put some premiership teams into the spanish league, and they would be ripped apart compeltly.


just for the record - i think barca are the best domestic team (playing the best football) in the world at the moment - although not quite as brilliant as most people make them out to be.


was just winding you up about the premier league/ la liga moron comment. although i do think la liga is a lot better and has more competition than the premier league too.

ronaldinho wasn't a complete player when he left psg but was still good enough to command a £23million asking price so couldn't have been that bad. he was still quite young then as well. he's shown against chelsea and arsenal that he's more than capable of playing against english teams and still looking like a genius...


dunnerz - 18-5-2006 at 14:49

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

barcelona's style makes them the best team to watch in europe without question and the fact that they've won two titles on the bounce in the best league in europe (anyone who genuinally thinks the premier league is better than la liga is a moron) would suggest they are the best team at the moment. i think chelsea will come back next season even better than they are at the moment (a close second best team in europe) so next season will be interesting. chelsea will never win awards for style but their relentless, boorish tactics suffocate all but the very best teams in europe. when they can add more of an attacking edge to their game then they'll be better than barca i reckon and ballack is certainly a step in the right direction...


thanks

actually, i'll retract what i said about premiership being better, they are just different, and i'd prefer to watch most premiership games over a spanish game. so many different aspects to both, you just cant compare

for example, no matter how amazing ronaldinho is, he was never that great in the french league (compared to how he is now), which is quite fast paced at time - and can you imagine barca playing against bolton/blackburn in a premiership match (i.e. premiership refs) - cant see any of their flair players (especially ronaldinho) having any time on the ball to create thier magic - if he attempted any of his fancy footwork, he'd just recieve a boot - much like why players like reyes, cristinao ronadlo spend most of thier time on their arse. Saying that, put some premiership teams into the spanish league, and they would be ripped apart compeltly.


just for the record - i think barca are the best domestic team (playing the best football) in the world at the moment - although not quite as brilliant as most people make them out to be.


was just winding you up about the premier league/ la liga moron comment. although i do think la liga is a lot better and has more competition than the premier league too.

ronaldinho wasn't a complete player when he left psg but was still good enough to command a £23million asking price so couldn't have been that bad. he was still quite young then as well. he's shown against chelsea and arsenal that he's more than capable of playing against english teams and still looking like a genius...


i didnt say he was bad, just not the player he is now - he was scoring goals + lots of assists, but this was hampered by his "clowing around" (as the coach of psg said) - in spain, he has time for all the showboating to come off good.

incidently he did nothing last night - apart from provide the pass to the player that got our keeper sent off (which is arguable the keepers fault)

thats not just me thats saying that - every report i've read has said he had an annoymous game (which considering he is the supposed "big game" player is quite interesting) - his free kicks were wide, his chance on goal went well wide, when his tricks didnt come off, he tried to pull (foul) players down. he was definelty not a genius last night


dunnerz - 18-5-2006 at 14:50

Quote:
Originally posted by i am sam

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

anyway, arsenal did themselves proud last night. playing the best team in europe with only 10 men for most of the game.

hmmm, now why does that sound familiar?! although they're not the best team in europe by the way. at least (from the sounds of things) lehmann deserved to be sent off, unlike del horno (or drogba the previous year).

the refereeing in the champions league is appalling, when are they going to sort it out? it's not like english referees are exactly fabulous, but they are starting to look pretty good in comparison.



apparntly - they dont allow the champions league/uefa cup finalist refs, ref any game in the world cup, because of any flow over from games, etc (would any england fan want the ref from last night) - so this ref, was picked from the refs who were not on the world cup list

in other words, he is not good enough to ref in the world cup, but is good enough to ref the most prestigous footballing event outside of the world cup.


crazy


they had to change one of the linesmen the day before because he was photographed wearing a barcelona shirt.



yeah, that was silly - he was supposed to pose in both teams shrits, but someone had forgotten the arsenal one for it!


Eleanor Conroy - 18-5-2006 at 15:08

admittedly i've never watched much domestic football outside the premiership, but judging from the champions league games i've seen of barca, i think we're the better side. it's close for sure, but for some reason everyone seemed to come to the conclusion that because they beat us this season they're the better of the two of us, entirely forgetting that we beat them a year ago!

i think players seem to give ronaldinho far too much respect, that's why he gets away with all that dancing around. hopefully if we play them again next season we might ditch that and put him under a bit more pressure than we have done in the past.

and i think moron's a bit strong gareth, surely some of it comes down to a matter of taste?


Eleanor Conroy - 18-5-2006 at 15:10

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

ronaldinho wasn't a complete player when he left psg but was still good enough to command a £23million asking price so couldn't have been that bad.

hmmm, not sure about your reasoning there - I'm sure we could all come up with a long list of overpriced players (yes, i know i'm opening myself up for millions of jokes about chelsea, but I've heard it all before and I don't care. We're rich enough to overpay!)


jazzy - 18-5-2006 at 15:31

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

and i think moron's a bit strong gareth, surely some of it comes down to a matter of taste?


that's why i pointed out that i was joking....


dunnerz - 18-5-2006 at 17:03

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

admittedly i've never watched much domestic football outside the premiership, but judging from the champions league games i've seen of barca, i think we're the better side. it's close for sure, but for some reason everyone seemed to come to the conclusion that because they beat us this season they're the better of the two of us, entirely forgetting that we beat them a year ago!

i think players seem to give ronaldinho far too much respect, that's why he gets away with all that dancing around. hopefully if we play them again next season we might ditch that and put him under a bit more pressure than we have done in the past.

and i think moron's a bit strong gareth, surely some of it comes down to a matter of taste?



exactly - we didnt give him any time last night, and he was pretty usless the whole game.

i actually think that there wasnt much between arsenal and barca, nor was there between chelsea and barca - the thing is between them in the matches is which team makes the mistake first (or has a decision go against them) - this year both arsenal and barca had the decision go against them, rather than the other way around

but then thats football!


RadioEd - 18-5-2006 at 19:11


Mercury Rising - 19-5-2006 at 07:56

Woo Hoo!


dunnerz - 19-5-2006 at 08:22

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Originally posted by Mercury Rising

Woo Hoo!


its based on some stuff in the sun

i'm not beleiving anything until i hear him say it in his own words


jazzy - 19-5-2006 at 09:00

i really hope he stays. the premier league would be a worse place without him...


dunnerz - 19-5-2006 at 09:29

This italian football league scandle

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4989484.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4993482.stm

indiesoc thoughts please......


- i only know what i've read from the above story (well, i have been following the bbc links for the past week or so).

one thing it could mean - a host of prem clubs harvesting Juve's squad.

i do feel sorry for Vieira (and the rest of the players and the fans) - but vieira - leaving arsenal for greater things, gets knocked out of europe by his old team (who get to the final), and not faces having the title stripped away and demoted 2 divisions. ouch


Eleanor Conroy - 19-5-2006 at 09:48

they were saying on the bbc earlier that henry's definitely staying, although confusingly whilst showing pictures of ashley cole!


dunnerz - 19-5-2006 at 09:50

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Originally posted by jazzy

i really hope he stays. the premier league would be a worse place without him...


ouch - right - after i made the statement about no player being worth whatever amount (with regards to ballack) - it looks like im going to have to eat humble pie - rumours have it henry will sign a £130,000 contract.

mind you - in my defense - i did say that is wasnt that bad ( once gareth pointed it out) that once you work out that paying ballack wasnt that much due to not paying a penny for him (you know what i mean) - given the cost of trying to "replace" henry - and the impact it would have on the club if he did go (i.e. how crap our midfield looked for the first 3/4 of the season after vieira left) - 130,000 a week probably works out as a saving!!!

[Edited on 19/5/2006 by dunnerz]


jesus - 19-5-2006 at 09:57

Henry's worth every penny.

On the Italian thing, I don't really have a lot to say other that that it's completely insane and they have to be dealt with harshly if they're found to have been naughty. I think we all know this sort of thing goes on, but you can't let people get away with it when you find it out. When you think about the fuss people made about Mourinho having lunch in the same restaurant as Ashley Cole, this is on a different planet. Plus it would be really funny if Juve got demoted, and AC Milan as well - then Shevchenko would have to look for another job...


jazzy - 19-5-2006 at 10:28

i hope juve and anyone else who's been misbehaving get demoted to serie b or c if they're found to be guilty. so ibrahimovic, mutu, viera, buffon and cannarvaro might be making moves this summer - interesting times ahead no doubt...


dunnerz - 19-5-2006 at 10:40

2pm arsenal press conference

please, please, please, please,
please, please, please, please,
please, please, please, please,
please, please, please, please,
please, please, please, please,
please, please, please, please,
please, please, please, please,
please, please, please, please,
please, please, please, please,
please, please, please, please,
please, please, please, please,
please, please, please, please,
please, please, please, please,


dunnerz - 19-5-2006 at 14:15

done deal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/4996270.stm


Mercury Rising - 20-5-2006 at 13:39

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

done deal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/4996270.stm


And it looks like Pires is staying too.


jazzy - 23-5-2006 at 11:54

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/5008544.stm

and apparently arsenal have got him for just £7 million...


dunnerz - 23-5-2006 at 12:05

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/5008544.stm

and apparently arsenal have got him for just £7 million...


you got there just before me!

7 million is a bargin.

he does look good. Just what arsenal need too - although cant work out if he is going to be Pires replacement (well, obviously depending on if Pires goes), or Bergkamp "replacement" - actually, probably both - out left for 442, link up player for 451esk play.

very happy about that + makes a change to get a transfere done so early in the window for once!!


(got to be a good un for fantasy footy - cant see him costing much, and will hopefully score goals).


dunnerz - 23-5-2006 at 12:09

by the way - looks like everton could have a player joining the england setup
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/england/5006754.stm


seriously tho (and starting to get into the england spirit), phil neville is not that bad + has plenty of experiance.

still, might have prefered nolan to be on the standby list


jazzy - 23-5-2006 at 12:09

skip to 1min in and watch for a few minutes. you'll get an idea what you're getting. 2 mins in and you'll see where he caught wenger's eye originally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZptQphoLM8&search=rosicky


jazzy - 23-5-2006 at 12:11

i reckon he'll be used in a 4-5-1 like pires has been used this season and in rotation with fabregas in a 4-4-2. not a wide player but a brilliant playmaker in the middle of the park.

not suprised that neville got a call up - with no luke young he'll provide cover at right back possibly as well as being able to play left back and defensive midfield. he had an alright season for us too - great leader...


RadioEd - 23-5-2006 at 21:27

ive not seen much of rosicky other than on international level and the odd champions league highlight, although he's never failed to impress. and for only 7million, could prove to be this summer's top purchase.


Spark Tarpauline - 23-5-2006 at 23:28

Yopu could be right about rosicky, he has god pace, good technique and good outside of the boot!!

I heard Dawson had been put on stand bym no whe is a genius player, e had such a good season, i wouldnt be annoyed if he had to play!!


Eleanor Conroy - 24-5-2006 at 14:13

phil neville - for fuck's sake, why? why? even if he was good most of the time (which he's not) i still wouldn't play him because it's not worth the risk that he'll destroy the game with one of his horrendous cock-ups. the only good thing he does is get himself sent off. from being pretty optimistic, I'm starting to despair about england's world cup chances.

on a brighter note, i hadn't even thought of the transfer market implications of the italian scandal - time for a bit of chelsea shopping methinks!


dunnerz - 24-5-2006 at 14:21

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

on a brighter note, i hadn't even thought of the transfer market implications of the italian scandal - time for a bit of chelsea shopping methinks!


hey, hands off the bargin basement!

thats like a millionarie who should be shopping in harrods, going in tk-max.


jazzy - 24-5-2006 at 15:05

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

phil neville - for fuck's sake, why? why? even if he was good most of the time (which he's not) i still wouldn't play him because it's not worth the risk that he'll destroy the game with one of his horrendous cock-ups. the only good thing he does is get himself sent off. from being pretty optimistic, I'm starting to despair about england's world cup chances.


he's been really solid all season without making any cock-ups (except the own goal against liverpool and a number of defenders, carragher included have scored high profile own goals this season) and his versatility justifies his inclusion in my opinion. i certainly can't think of a better english right back apart from his brother or jamie carragher and after cole and bridge he's our next best left back too. he's also a perfectly good holding midfielder and with rooney's absence, we may well end up using someone in that role.

beckham got sent off in 98 and there have been a number of woeful england performances since euro 2000 from members of the current squad yet they never get the stick phil neville still recieves. it's all part of a media conspiracy that you and a number of other football fans have naively fallen for.


dunnerz - 24-5-2006 at 15:10

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

phil neville - for fuck's sake, why? why? even if he was good most of the time (which he's not) i still wouldn't play him because it's not worth the risk that he'll destroy the game with one of his horrendous cock-ups. the only good thing he does is get himself sent off. from being pretty optimistic, I'm starting to despair about england's world cup chances.


he's been really solid all season without making any cock-ups (except the own goal against liverpool and a number of defenders, carragher included have scored high profile own goals this season) and his versatility justifies his inclusion in my opinion. i certainly can't think of a better english right back apart from his brother or jamie carragher and after cole and bridge he's our next best left back too. he's also a perfectly good holding midfielder and with rooney's absence, we may well end up using someone in that role.

beckham got sent off in 98 and there have been a number of woeful england performances since euro 2000 from members of the current squad yet they never get the stick phil neville still recieves. it's all part of a media conspiracy that you and a number of other football fans have naively fallen for.



i hate phill nevellie (and garry) with a passion, but perfectly understand his inclusion - also given the fact the sqaud and sven have worked with him in the past.


jazzy - 24-5-2006 at 15:14

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

phil neville - for fuck's sake, why? why? even if he was good most of the time (which he's not) i still wouldn't play him because it's not worth the risk that he'll destroy the game with one of his horrendous cock-ups. the only good thing he does is get himself sent off. from being pretty optimistic, I'm starting to despair about england's world cup chances.


he's been really solid all season without making any cock-ups (except the own goal against liverpool and a number of defenders, carragher included have scored high profile own goals this season) and his versatility justifies his inclusion in my opinion. i certainly can't think of a better english right back apart from his brother or jamie carragher and after cole and bridge he's our next best left back too. he's also a perfectly good holding midfielder and with rooney's absence, we may well end up using someone in that role.

beckham got sent off in 98 and there have been a number of woeful england performances since euro 2000 from members of the current squad yet they never get the stick phil neville still recieves. it's all part of a media conspiracy that you and a number of other football fans have naively fallen for.



i hate phill nevellie (and garry) with a passion, but perfectly understand his inclusion - also given the fact the sqaud and sven have worked with him in the past.


and presumably the fact that you can't name a better player who fulfills three different roles in the team as well as he does also justifies his inclusion


dunnerz - 24-5-2006 at 15:28

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

phil neville - for fuck's sake, why? why? even if he was good most of the time (which he's not) i still wouldn't play him because it's not worth the risk that he'll destroy the game with one of his horrendous cock-ups. the only good thing he does is get himself sent off. from being pretty optimistic, I'm starting to despair about england's world cup chances.


he's been really solid all season without making any cock-ups (except the own goal against liverpool and a number of defenders, carragher included have scored high profile own goals this season) and his versatility justifies his inclusion in my opinion. i certainly can't think of a better english right back apart from his brother or jamie carragher and after cole and bridge he's our next best left back too. he's also a perfectly good holding midfielder and with rooney's absence, we may well end up using someone in that role.

beckham got sent off in 98 and there have been a number of woeful england performances since euro 2000 from members of the current squad yet they never get the stick phil neville still recieves. it's all part of a media conspiracy that you and a number of other football fans have naively fallen for.



i hate phill nevellie (and garry) with a passion, but perfectly understand his inclusion - also given the fact the sqaud and sven have worked with him in the past.


and presumably the fact that you can't name a better player who fulfills three different roles in the team as well as he does also justifies his inclusion


yes, sorry, my also was in reference to that.

seems more versatile than owen hargreeves!


joediddly - 24-5-2006 at 16:04

What the hell has Gary Neville done to make people hate him? Apart from play for United, of course, but that's probably the reason...jealous Arsenal fans, I mean, they can't have the best left back AND the best right back in the world...

Seriously...the answer to our problems is Wes Brown.


dunnerz - 25-5-2006 at 08:10

Quote:
Originally posted by joediddly

What the hell has Gary Neville done to make people hate him? Apart from play for United, of course, but that's probably the reason...jealous Arsenal fans, I mean, they can't have the best left back AND the best right back in the world...

Seriously...the answer to our problems is Wes Brown.


answer to what problems?!

yeah, i'd really rather have Neville than Lauren or Eboue.

Apart from him playing for united (which is enough) - how about his recent run to the other and of the pitch to gloat at the liverpool fans, the cunt. Actually, I just go with generally being a dirty cunt, actually just a cunt full stop.

- actually, apart from that, when his got the england shirt on, he gets my full support

(by they way, I'm not dissing his playing ability).


jesus - 25-5-2006 at 08:29

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by joediddly

What the hell has Gary Neville done to make people hate him? Apart from play for United, of course, but that's probably the reason...jealous Arsenal fans, I mean, they can't have the best left back AND the best right back in the world...

Seriously...the answer to our problems is Wes Brown.


answer to what problems?!

yeah, i'd really rather have Neville than Lauren or Eboue.

Apart from him playing for united (which is enough) - how about his recent run to the other and of the pitch to gloat at the liverpool fans, the cunt. Actually, I just go with generally being a dirty cunt, actually just a cunt full stop.

- actually, apart from that, when his got the england shirt on, he gets my full support

(by they way, I'm not dissing his playing ability).


I'm not sure about Phil neville, he might be OK at three different positions but he's not particularly great at any of them. He's like the footballing equivalent of a department store, they sell a lot of things but you can always find somewhere better to buy each of them.

EDIT: because I'm a bit slow this morning.

[Edited on 25-5-2006 by jesus]


jesus - 25-5-2006 at 08:32

In other news, we're having a World Cup sweepstake here at work, and I got Saudi fucking Arabia. Feel free to post your tales of sweepstake woe to make me feel better.


jazzy - 25-5-2006 at 08:35

i got italy. result!


jazzy - 25-5-2006 at 08:38

Quote:
Originally posted by jesus

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by joediddly

What the hell has Gary Neville done to make people hate him? Apart from play for United, of course, but that's probably the reason...jealous Arsenal fans, I mean, they can't have the best left back AND the best right back in the world...

Seriously...the answer to our problems is Wes Brown.


answer to what problems?!

yeah, i'd really rather have Neville than Lauren or Eboue.

Apart from him playing for united (which is enough) - how about his recent run to the other and of the pitch to gloat at the liverpool fans, the cunt. Actually, I just go with generally being a dirty cunt, actually just a cunt full stop.

- actually, apart from that, when his got the england shirt on, he gets my full support

(by they way, I'm not dissing his playing ability).


I'm not sure about Phil neville, he might be OK at three different positions but he's not particularly great at any of them. He's like the footballing equivalent of a department store, they sell a lot of things but you can always find somewhere better to buy each of them.

EDIT: because I'm a bit slow this morning.

[Edited on 25-5-2006 by jesus]


true but if you think that after gary neville and jamie carragher, he's england's best right back and after ashley cole and wayne bridge, he's england's best left back it doesn't matter if he isn't that great. the very nature of international football means you have to deal with what you've got and it just so happens that he's the third best player in the country in two different positions, thus making him a valuable player. whilst he isn't as good as carrick, king or parker in the holding midfielder role, there aren't too many who are better than him for that position either. add to that his experience at international level and the amount of trophies he's won in his career and you have to admit that it's fair enough he's on the standby list.


clarkogir - 25-5-2006 at 10:34

So, what do the Arsenal Fans on here think to the acquisition of the 'czech wizard' Thomas Rosicky and confirmed departure of Robert 'couldnt be any more french if i ran around the field with a Berret and a baguette' Pires?

A good all round swap? Where do you think Rosicky will fit in, I wouldnt consider him a straight swap for Pires, maybe he'll play behind Henry?


dunnerz - 25-5-2006 at 11:00

Quote:
Originally posted by clarkogir

So, what do the Arsenal Fans on here think to the acquisition of the 'czech wizard' Thomas Rosicky and confirmed departure of Robert 'couldnt be any more french if i ran around the field with a Berret and a baguette' Pires?

A good all round swap? Where do you think Rosicky will fit in, I wouldnt consider him a straight swap for Pires, maybe he'll play behind Henry?


Jazzy and me were discussing this a few pages back:

Rotation for Fabregas (and could also play along side when we need it), but also play the link up player (with Henry) when wenger does his 451esk formation. He might play some games on the left wing - he may start out there until he gets used to the premiership - but i dont see that as his intended position, as we have Reyes, Freddie and Clichy, who can play there (along with Van Persie and Hleb if needed + Smith(?) who went on loan to lecister at the start of last season, who looks like a good prospect).

Saying that, I wouldn't be too surprised if Wenger buys another winger/striker type player - if Pires goes - which looks immenent.


dunnerz - 25-5-2006 at 11:02

very immenent indeed

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/5015814.stm


shame, he is a quality player, think the premiership will miss him (well, spurs, portsmouth and man city aside) - best of luck to le bob.

[Edited on 25/5/2006 by dunnerz]


Eleanor Conroy - 25-5-2006 at 13:46

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

beckham got sent off in 98 and there have been a number of woeful england performances since euro 2000 from members of the current squad yet they never get the stick phil neville still recieves. it's all part of a media conspiracy that you and a number of other football fans have naively fallen for.

i do have a brain of my own thank you very much! i just can't think of any other england outfield player who's consistently made so many big mistakes for england and still gets picked. i think as a defender it's your job to be solid and consistent, it doesn't matter if you're not spectacular as long as you can be relied upon to do a consistently good job. for me, phil neville's about as far from that description as you can get (except maybe calamity james, who also inexplicably gets a place). if i was playing in midfield with phil neville behind me i'd be constantly worried that i should hang back just in case and i don't think england can win if that's the mentality our midfielders will have.


jazzy - 25-5-2006 at 14:37

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

beckham got sent off in 98 and there have been a number of woeful england performances since euro 2000 from members of the current squad yet they never get the stick phil neville still recieves. it's all part of a media conspiracy that you and a number of other football fans have naively fallen for.

i do have a brain of my own thank you very much! i just can't think of any other england outfield player who's consistently made so many big mistakes for england and still gets picked. i think as a defender it's your job to be solid and consistent, it doesn't matter if you're not spectacular as long as you can be relied upon to do a consistently good job. for me, phil neville's about as far from that description as you can get (except maybe calamity james, who also inexplicably gets a place). if i was playing in midfield with phil neville behind me i'd be constantly worried that i should hang back just in case and i don't think england can win if that's the mentality our midfielders will have.


apart from romania in euro 2000 what mistakes has he made for england then? i certainly can't think of anything.

on ther other hand, rio ferdinand, david james, david beckham and steven gerrard have made a couple of key mistakes for england in their careers yet there are no raised eyebrows about their inclusion. it's that conspiracy that you have fallen for, whether you like to admit it or not. either that or you're letting blind prejudice get in the way of clear judgement.

i admit he isn't a great player but he's still out third best right back, third best left back and one of our better holding midfielders and on that basis he should be in the squad for his versatility. as i said before, international football means you can only deal with the resources you have. neville therefores justifies his place on the standby list (i doubt he'll make the final squad though).


jazzy - 25-5-2006 at 14:38

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

if i was playing in midfield with phil neville behind me i'd be constantly worried that i should hang back just in case and i don't think england can win if that's the mentality our midfielders will have.


it never worried ryan giggs, paul scholes, david beckham or roy keane in their treble winning season or any of their other successes between 1996 and 2003.


joediddly - 25-5-2006 at 15:57

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by joediddly

What the hell has Gary Neville done to make people hate him? Apart from play for United, of course, but that's probably the reason...jealous Arsenal fans, I mean, they can't have the best left back AND the best right back in the world...

Seriously...the answer to our problems is Wes Brown.




yeah, i'd really rather have Neville than Lauren or Eboue.




Good...glad to hear it. I'd rather have Neville over Lauren AND Eboue (who is, according to Thierry Henry, a woman).


dunnerz - 25-5-2006 at 16:19

Quote:
Originally posted by joediddly

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by joediddly

What the hell has Gary Neville done to make people hate him? Apart from play for United, of course, but that's probably the reason...jealous Arsenal fans, I mean, they can't have the best left back AND the best right back in the world...

Seriously...the answer to our problems is Wes Brown.




yeah, i'd really rather have Neville than Lauren or Eboue.




Good...glad to hear it. I'd rather have Neville over Lauren AND Eboue




best joke i've heard all day


joediddly - 25-5-2006 at 17:51

Here's a better one...I think Sol Campbell should start for England as centre back in the World Cup...


dunnerz - 25-5-2006 at 19:05

Quote:
Originally posted by joediddly

Here's a better one...I think Sol Campbell should start for England as centre back in the World Cup...


well, there is not much between gormless rio and half a game sol is there? (apart from one of them costing thier club 30 million in transfere fees)


joediddly - 26-5-2006 at 08:55

Don't forget not going to that doping test and being banned...


Or having a mental breakdown live on Sky TV....


jazzy - 26-5-2006 at 09:13

1) michael carrick and jermaine jenas can't control a midfield against belarus' second team.

2) theo walcott is quick.

3) fuck that, he's VERY quick.

4) england don't really have any good goalkeepers apart from paul robinson.

5) the pages in eriksson's tactic book have all been ripped out except for the one marked 4-4-2.

6) crouch and owen look ok up front together.

7) aaron lennon is going to be our impact player off the bench if we fuck games up. he's also going to be beckham's successor down the right.

8) jamie carragher should start alongside john terry in the world cup.

9) owen hargreaves is still shite.

[Edited on 26-5-2006 by jazzy]


dunnerz - 26-5-2006 at 09:58

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

1) michael carrick and jermaine jenas can't control a midfield against belarus' second team.

2) theo walcott is quick.

3) fuck that, he's VERY quick.

4) england don't really have any good goalkeepers apart from paul robinson.

5) the pages in eriksson's tactic book have all been ripped out except for the one marked 4-4-2.

6) crouch and owen look ok up front together.

7) aaron lennon is going to be our impact player off the bench if we fuck games up. he's also going to be beckham's successor down the right.

8) jamie carragher should start alongside john terry in the world cup.

9) owen hargreaves is still shite.

[Edited on 26-5-2006 by jazzy]


carragher should so start - (carrghers own goal in the fa cup final aside) rio and sol have had massive blips recently, where as carragher has been emmense - 2nd meaniest defense in the premiership, and recently has a champions league medal and fa cup to his name.

The radio (i couldnt be bothered to go to the pub for an england b game, and I was more interested in the analysis, which is far better on 5live than sky) was saying that carrick kept drifting in and out of the game. To be fair, he has hardly had any international/european experience, so he may take a game or 2 to adjust.

Crouch should not start, gerrard should play that role

Owen Hargreaves - agreed - but they were saying on the radio he has been brilliant for Bayern munich this season, and they (bayern) think it is unthinkable to have a team starting without him.


jazzy - 26-5-2006 at 10:07

i'm not sure gerrard should play that role to be honest. the more i think about it, the better he is at running onto the ball, not holding it up as he would be required to do if he played up front. crouch looked good last night and without rooney he's the best option we have there. carrick was dross last night and we can't risk him in the world cup against proper opposition.


dunnerz - 26-5-2006 at 10:08

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

4) england don't really have any good goalkeepers apart from paul robinson.


http://home.skysports.com/worldcup/article.asp?hlid=390117&CPID=4&clid=114&lid=2&title=Foster+handed+England+call

who the f is that!?


jazzy - 26-5-2006 at 10:23

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

4) england don't really have any good goalkeepers apart from paul robinson.


http://home.skysports.com/worldcup/article.asp?hlid=390117&CPID=4&clid=114&lid=2&title=Foster+handed+England+call

who the f is that!?


he's been awesome on loan at watford. ferguson reckons he's going to be van der sar's successor...


thelikelylad - 27-5-2006 at 06:01

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

4) england don't really have any good goalkeepers apart from paul robinson.


http://home.skysports.com/worldcup/article.asp?hlid=390117&CPID=4&clid=114&lid=2&title=Foster+handed+England+call

who the f is that!?


he's been awesome on loan at watford. ferguson reckons he's going to be van der sar's successor...

he made a few decen saves in the playoff final and seeing as watford were certainties to be relegated he must have done well. i would have given mike pollitt a shout seeing as he has been immense for wigan this season


thelikelylad - 27-5-2006 at 06:12

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

1) michael carrick and jermaine jenas can't control a midfield against belarus' second team.

2) theo walcott is quick.

3) fuck that, he's VERY quick.

4) england don't really have any good goalkeepers apart from paul robinson.

5) the pages in eriksson's tactic book have all been ripped out except for the one marked 4-4-2.

6) crouch and owen look ok up front together.

7) aaron lennon is going to be our impact player off the bench if we fuck games up. he's also going to be beckham's successor down the right.

8) jamie carragher should start alongside john terry in the world cup.

9) owen hargreaves is still shite.

[Edited on 26-5-2006 by jazzy]

1) i feel its either or in this scenario, i was surprised jenas was in there. hes not been a stand out player at spurs
2)yep
3)definitely, though lets not get carried away
4)david james if can avoid his quintessential goalkeeping blunder
5)hoping this is not the case, otherwise were boogered
6)well have to make i guess
7)thinbk he was the most impressive inclusion in any squad sven has made. at least his swanning around at games has lead to something.
8) definitely. people always seem to think that we need opposite types of centre backs but i dont trust rio having a ballet recital when the ball needs to hoofed clear. why shouyld the best defender in the premiersip be 3rd or 4th choice for england(carragher)
9)how can he have 20 odd caps and scoot parker next to none, it is incomprehendable


dunnerz - 29-5-2006 at 12:40

jazzy - looks like a good signing for you

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5026130.stm


(i'd be quite happy with that + he should make a good partnership with beattie)


jazzy - 30-5-2006 at 08:48

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

jazzy - looks like a good signing for you

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5026130.stm


(i'd be quite happy with that + he should make a good partnership with beattie)


disappointed that we've paid so much for him (although it's only meant to be £5million up front with the rest being staggered) but there aren't many people who are proven goalscorers in the premier league. i'm just hoping we've got some money left to patch our defence up. and also hoping that we don't buy robert huth, as is being rumoured. he's fucking shite!


dunnerz - 30-5-2006 at 09:41

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

jazzy - looks like a good signing for you

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5026130.stm


(i'd be quite happy with that + he should make a good partnership with beattie)


disappointed that we've paid so much for him (although it's only meant to be £5million up front with the rest being staggered) but there aren't many people who are proven goalscorers in the premier league. i'm just hoping we've got some money left to patch our defence up. and also hoping that we don't buy robert huth, as is being rumoured. he's fucking shite!



Johnson is a very good player (and Huth is shite) - but people wonder why Wenger buys forigen players, but when the english talent costs so much its not hard to see why.

(Johnson - £7 million, Ashton £12million ish, owen £18million + £130,000 a week, SWP £22, etc.) - okay, I know you'll quote me Reyes, which I'm still a bit miffed by, but otherwise you'll get my point

[Edited on 30/5/2006 by dunnerz]


jazzy - 30-5-2006 at 09:50

well quite.


dunnerz - 30-5-2006 at 10:05

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Originally posted by jazzy

well quite.


still, Johnson should easily be a 20 a goal striker for you - and attack is the best form of defense anyway

(actually, I heard rumours and Sol Campbell in his way to you!)


Colin DIS - 30-5-2006 at 10:09

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Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

well quite.


still, Johnson should easily be a 20 a goal striker for you


I remember the same being said about Beattie when he signed. Could have signed worse players but in my opinion coulda got much better too...


jazzy - 30-5-2006 at 10:11

i suppose there aren't any proven 20-goal premier league scorers out there who are available for £8 million so in a sense it's good business. if he gets 20 and beattie gets 15 next season then we should be looking at a uefa cup spot which would be nice.


Colin DIS - 30-5-2006 at 10:26

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

i suppose there aren't any proven 20-goal premier league scorers out there who are available for £8 million so in a sense it's good business. if he gets 20 and beattie gets 15 next season then we should be looking at a uefa cup spot which would be nice.


Van Nistelrooy?


jazzy - 30-5-2006 at 10:39

but van horseface would never come to us, his wages would be at least double johnson's and he's 5 years older.


dunnerz - 30-5-2006 at 10:43

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

but van horseface would never come to us, his wages would be at least double johnson's and he's 5 years older.


not to mention only scoring 2 goals ever from outside of the area.


dunnerz - 30-5-2006 at 10:44

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

i suppose there aren't any proven 20-goal premier league scorers out there who are available for £8 million



haven't charlton just let Jeffers go on a free


jazzy - 30-5-2006 at 11:13

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Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

i suppose there aren't any proven 20-goal premier league scorers out there who are available for £8 million



haven't charlton just let Jeffers go on a free


how we laughed when wenger paid £10million for our fox in the box.


dunnerz - 30-5-2006 at 11:20

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Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

i suppose there aren't any proven 20-goal premier league scorers out there who are available for £8 million



haven't charlton just let Jeffers go on a free


how we laughed when wenger paid £10million for our fox in the box.


you got to laugh havent you!


Colin DIS - 30-5-2006 at 12:23

The Jeffers transfer has to go down with one of the worst in football history along with Carl Cort & Luther Blissett.


dunnerz - 30-5-2006 at 12:32

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

The Jeffers transfer has to go down with one of the worst in football history along with Carl Cort & Luther Blissett.


It is no way near a £30million Veron, or £22 million Drogba


Colin DIS - 30-5-2006 at 12:45

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by Colin DIS

The Jeffers transfer has to go down with one of the worst in football history along with Carl Cort & Luther Blissett.


It is no way near a £30million Veron, or £22 million Drogba


Veron I still feel got a raw deal and I disagree on Drogba completely.


jazzy - 30-5-2006 at 12:55

i think that drogba's worth £16 million and the chelsea factor (i.e. they can pay whatever they like) pushed it up to £22 million. he's a fucking good player, best target man in the world and can destroy teams single-handedly on his day. there are those off days but he'd walk into any team in the premier league still...


RadioEd - 30-5-2006 at 13:15

i've not yet been convinced by drogba, 18 goals in 35 games for 22million isn't great for a team who were free-scoring this season. bring on shevchenko......


dunnerz - 30-5-2006 at 13:20

no way is he (Drogba) worth £22million - i'd say around £12million - considering the service from midfield he recieves, you would expect him to score many more goals - but I do agree, he suites chelsea'ss 451 system perfectly

on the other hand, this looks like a might signing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/5023196.stm

there goes my glimour of hope of us or liverpool winning the league next year.


Eleanor Conroy - 30-5-2006 at 13:38

15 goals in 35 games in the dutch league? I'm not sold yet! bring on shevchenko indeed

drogba has way too many off days to be worth the money we paid for him, but as james says, there's the market price and then there's the chelsea price...


jazzy - 30-5-2006 at 13:55

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

15 goals in 35 games in the dutch league? I'm not sold yet! bring on shevchenko indeed


he's meant to be very good. big, tall and quick and only 20 years old to boot...


jazzy - 30-5-2006 at 14:03

incidentally, does anyone else think that chelsea's new transfer policy of buying older, 'name' players (kalou excepted) smacks a little of real madrid's galatico policy? if i was mourinho, i'd be a little peeved at the chairman sticking his oar in and demanding name players having won back to back league titles doing excatly the opposite.


dunnerz - 30-5-2006 at 14:15

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

15 goals in 35 games in the dutch league? I'm not sold yet! bring on shevchenko indeed


he's meant to be very good. big, tall and quick and only 20 years old to boot...


dam it - i said exactly that, and shut my browser down instead of hitting reply (either that or ive replied to the wrong thread......)

anyway - yes - very good prospect, probably didnt cost mega bucks, and 15 in 35 for a 20 year old is comparable to 16 in 42 (Drogba)


Colin DIS - 30-5-2006 at 14:18

Kezman is a better player than Kalou and look what happened to him. You just had to watch the Erevdiese coverage on C5 to see he is a great player but is he what Chelsea need?

I am still watching the John Obi Mikel saga.. what is going to happen to him?


dunnerz - 30-5-2006 at 14:24

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

incidentally, does anyone else think that chelsea's new transfer policy of buying older, 'name' players (kalou excepted) smacks a little of real madrid's galatico policy? if i was mourinho, i'd be a little peeved at the chairman sticking his oar in and demanding name players having won back to back league titles doing excatly the opposite.


If I was slightly synical, I'd guess along the lines of shirt sales

But yeah, starting to wiff of Reals Policy (incidently, the press today reporting that the new Real chairmen are going to approach Wenger (well Lure him to Real) - now lets see, the chance of managing the Best striker in the world along with some of the most exciting young talent - along with the club just about to open a brand new state of the art stadium that he has been a major part of + expressing the desire to stay at the club for a long time (and the club saying he has the job for life), or going to manage a bunch of has beens, where the usual managers job lasts about half a season - tough one - rant over - off my chest!).


thelikelylad - 30-5-2006 at 16:22

i think that kalou is a rather shrewd buiy considering that cruyfft and van basten were keen on geeting him dutch citizenship. kezman was a lost cause. if we had played him more he would have been no doubt prolific.


dunnerz - 31-5-2006 at 08:52

last nights friendly:

Gerrard can play the 2nd striker role very well

Errickson has sorted out the "troublesum" left side. He now has a "troublesum" holding midfield role (in which Carrick should be given a go for the whole match on saturday)

Lampard needs to be told either to do his usual box to box stuff, or attack, not drift between the two because he is uncertain what the other midfielder is doing (see last point)

Carragher can play anywhere accross the back 4, but no further

Hargreves looks shite wherever he plays

Crouch not only looks like a plonker, he has a goal celebration to match it


Colin DIS - 31-5-2006 at 09:13

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

last nights friendly:

Gerrard can play the 2nd striker role very well

Errickson has sorted out the "troublesum" left side. He now has a "troublesum" holding midfield role (in which Carrick should be given a go for the whole match on saturday)

Lampard needs to be told either to do his usual box to box stuff, or attack, not drift between the two because he is uncertain what the other midfielder is doing (see last point)

Carragher can play anywhere accross the back 4, but no further

Hargreves looks shite wherever he plays

Crouch not only looks like a plonker, he has a goal celebration to match it


I couldn't believe it when they said that Hargreaves had 30 caps! Worse than Carlton Palmer?


Eleanor Conroy - 31-5-2006 at 12:25

i've heard the name and i'm sure he's good and all, but kezman was what sprang to my mind. I just think that our main flaw at the moment is not having a 30 goals a season striker and if he can't get near to that in the dutch league it seems unlikely he'd do it in the premiership. and james, I'm not sure drogba is the yardstick to hold up here, i'd rather not have another one of him!

The 1st half was pretty horrible last night - felt a bit better by the end, but hungary were fairly terrible and we should've looked much better against that kind of opposition. i've defended eriksson a lot over the last few years as i think he's come in for a lot of unfair criticism, but he seems to be making some bizarre choices at the moment and i'm losing faith in his plans (if he really has any of those).


jazzy - 31-5-2006 at 13:14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96eSrFlUVh0&search=peter%20crouch

brilliant.


jazzy - 31-5-2006 at 13:26

i thought last night was an alright performance. we controlled the first half and looked pretty good in the second half. we had chances to score in the first half and should have gone in 1 or 2 up. a 4-1 or 5-1 performance and everyone would have been raving about how we're going to win the world cup and last night was only a sharp michael owen and a normal frank lampard penalty away from those reports. if owen can regain his fitness i think we'll get to the quarters when hopefully (but not very likely) rooney will be fit again.

7 things from last night:

1) peter crouch is a great player to bring off the bench. say what you like about him but he's awkward, creates chances for others and he can finish as his goal proved.

2) jamie carragher is a great player to have in reserve for any position across the back 4 (but not a defensive midfielder)

3) beckham's performance last night was as good as he's been since 2001. which is good. especially if we start with crouch...

4) steven gerrard might be a red scummer but without rooney he's our best hope of progressing to the latter stages. and he's looking good despite playing 50-odd games this season.

5) michael owen really needs to regain his fitness.

6) 4-5-1/4-3-3 is only going to work if owen is not fit.

7) fat frank hasn't had a good game for england for a while now.

[Edited on 31-5-2006 by jazzy]


AntManBee - 31-5-2006 at 16:44

8. Owen Hargreaves' best position might be as a holding midfielder, but he didn't do anything last night to suggest he should be in the squad.


jesus - 31-5-2006 at 21:16

I thought we were pretty good, Crouch, Beckham and Cole especially. Carragher shouldn't play that role, he was too defensively-minded and that's our biggest problem under Sven. Carrick for sure. Please not Hargreaves.


RadioEd - 1-6-2006 at 08:15

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

i've not yet been convinced by drogba, 18 goals in 35 games for 22million isn't great for a team who were free-scoring this season. bring on shevchenko......


yep


dunnerz - 1-6-2006 at 08:46

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

Quote:
Originally posted by RadioEd

i've not yet been convinced by drogba, 18 goals in 35 games for 22million isn't great for a team who were free-scoring this season. bring on shevchenko......


yep


bugger


dunnerz - 1-6-2006 at 09:52

jazzy, everton really do seem to be at the summer sales
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/5036292.stm

A couple more and UEFA spot is in sight.


jazzy - 1-6-2006 at 10:13

wickednews, lescott has looked awesome every time i've seen him. hope he can make the step up to the premier league alright (he was injured all season last time wolves were in the top flight).

i reckon this starting 11 could get a uefa cup spot:

************howard************
hibbert***yobo***lescott***valente
osman***cahill***neville***arteta
*******beattie***johnson********


Spark Tarpauline - 1-6-2006 at 10:29

I'm quite glad shevchenko has signed with chelsea, I've always been quite a fan of his and it will be good seeing him in the premiership week in week out!!


dunnerz - 1-6-2006 at 10:39

Quote:
Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

I'm quite glad shevchenko has signed with chelsea, I've always been quite a fan of his and it will be good seeing him in the premiership week in week out!!



chelsea splashing the cash is really annoying me, and hopefully they will introduce a wage cap, and spending cap ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5012250.stm ) + the next few years UEFA are introducing the "home grown" rule for its compeitions (that is next year you must name x number of home grown players in the squad (for uefa/CL), the year after x number more, then eventually x number in the named line ups - by the way, home grown players are players that have a passport for that country, or have trained for 3 years under the age of 21, in the country the team orgionates from (so, for example, fabregas could play for arsenal, chelsea, or any spanish team))

sorry dont know where that mini rant came from, i was actually origionall going onto say depsite all the buying power annoying me, it is good to see all this class coming to the premiership and raising its profile.


jazzy - 1-6-2006 at 11:19

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

I'm quite glad shevchenko has signed with chelsea, I've always been quite a fan of his and it will be good seeing him in the premiership week in week out!!



chelsea splashing the cash is really annoying me, and hopefully they will introduce a wage cap, and spending cap ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5012250.stm ) + the next few years UEFA are introducing the "home grown" rule for its compeitions (that is next year you must name x number of home grown players in the squad (for uefa/CL), the year after x number more, then eventually x number in the named line ups - by the way, home grown players are players that have a passport for that country, or have trained for 3 years under the age of 21, in the country the team orgionates from (so, for example, fabregas could play for arsenal, chelsea, or any spanish team))

sorry dont know where that mini rant came from, i was actually origionall going onto say depsite all the buying power annoying me, it is good to see all this class coming to the premiership and raising its profile.



hahahahaha! from an arsenal fan that is an ultimmate case of pot/kettle interfacing. you've actually spent a huge amount of money compared to every club outside the 'big 4' and currently have one genuine homegrown player in your first 11 (all the kids you've nicked from europe might technically count but in reality don't).

what you now feel about chelsea is exactly how fans of all the other clubs in the premier league have felt about you, man-ure and the red shite for years


dunnerz - 1-6-2006 at 11:34

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by Spark Tarpauline

I'm quite glad shevchenko has signed with chelsea, I've always been quite a fan of his and it will be good seeing him in the premiership week in week out!!



chelsea splashing the cash is really annoying me, and hopefully they will introduce a wage cap, and spending cap ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5012250.stm ) + the next few years UEFA are introducing the "home grown" rule for its compeitions (that is next year you must name x number of home grown players in the squad (for uefa/CL), the year after x number more, then eventually x number in the named line ups - by the way, home grown players are players that have a passport for that country, or have trained for 3 years under the age of 21, in the country the team orgionates from (so, for example, fabregas could play for arsenal, chelsea, or any spanish team))

sorry dont know where that mini rant came from, i was actually origionall going onto say depsite all the buying power annoying me, it is good to see all this class coming to the premiership and raising its profile.



hahahahaha! from an arsenal fan that is an ultimmate case of pot/kettle interfacing. you've actually spent a huge amount of money compared to every club outside the 'big 4' and currently have one genuine homegrown player in your first 11 (all the kids you've nicked from europe might technically count but in reality don't).

what you now feel about chelsea is exactly how fans of all the other clubs in the premier league have felt about you, man-ure and the red shite for years



the difference is that man u, arsenal, liverpool (and even newcastle) are only spending the money they have earnt through winning cups/leagues and by getting bums on seats and selling shirts.

Chelseas pot is endless, and nothing to do with how sucessfull they are, or how many people watch them


Eleanor Conroy - 1-6-2006 at 12:38

i'm not quite sure where you're going with this homegrown players stuff james, chelsea have some of england's best players and they get the opportunity to play with the best in the world week in week out, so there're no surprises when it comes to international competitions. and just look what what mourinho's done for joe cole, a massive boost for england.

i'm so pleased we've got a great striker, it's gonna be a brilliant season! although i'm a little bemused by the reference to us buying another goalkeeper - is cudicini going? Hope not, even though it's a bit of a crime that he sits on the bench so much.


dunnerz - 1-6-2006 at 13:35

hehee - nor am i really, that was nothing to do with it really - sorry! (i just read in the same article earlier today about the wage cap along with home grown stuff!!!) - it won't effect chelsea, but may encourage them (and other teams) not to spend mega millions on forigen players, etc.


dunnerz - 1-6-2006 at 16:27

OH SHIT

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/5037494.stm


jesus - 1-6-2006 at 19:02

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

OH SHIT

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/5037494.stm


This all sounds quite funny. I'm sure it'll come to nothing, but anyway...Spurs for the Champions League!


dunnerz - 2-6-2006 at 09:03

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

OH SHIT

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/5037494.stm


Right, done some reading, and found out some interesting things:

- newsnight, bbc, and the rest of the media have blown this out of proportion

- arsenal have not breached any rules

- arsenal are not under investigation by the police, or FIFA, or the FA (they have been asked for a report) - the belgium police were inversigating money linked with the russsian mafia and had to publish thier findings which showed arsenal

- arsenal are a private company, so that is why any loan details have not been disclosed to the publich before

- a loan was made, but that is not in breach

- if we are in breach of anything, then so are manu (for having links (i.e. shareholders with shares) in another belgium club), and likewise so are spurs (linke with rangers), hearts just to name a few.


jazzy - 2-6-2006 at 09:06

same old arsenal, always cheating.



thelikelylad - 2-6-2006 at 10:25

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

OH SHIT

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/5037494.stm


Right, done some reading, and found out some interesting things:

- newsnight, bbc, and the rest of the media have blown this out of proportion

- arsenal have not breached any rules

- arsenal are not under investigation by the police, or FIFA, or the FA (they have been asked for a report) - the belgium police were inversigating money linked with the russsian mafia and had to publish thier findings which showed arsenal

- arsenal are a private company, so that is why any loan details have not been disclosed to the publich before

- a loan was made, but that is not in breach

- if we are in breach of anything, then so are manu (for having links (i.e. shareholders with shares) in another belgium club), and likewise so are spurs (linke with rangers), hearts just to name a few.

in lehmans terms... sorry, it means that there is a possibilty arsenal have done a sly one and are owners of these belgium club which according to diplomatic brain of my housemate who is studying law is against regulations. come into the champions league spurs, your presence will be more appreciated than that of arsenals..


Eleanor Conroy - 2-6-2006 at 11:05

the main thing that's making this look really bad for arsenal is the attempt to keep it secret, but i sincerely doubt they'll be thrown out of the champions league. shame, it'd be hilarious!


dunnerz - 2-6-2006 at 11:23

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5040448.stm


as i was saying earlier - if we get kick out the CL, so will man u, and spurs wont be able to get in on the same grounds.

Mellor (chelsea fan and mp) was standing up for arsenal on newsnight, saying that they have done nothing wrong.

i can see how this is funny for fans of other clubs tho!


thelikelylad - 2-6-2006 at 11:28

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5040448.stm


as i was saying earlier - if we get kick out the CL, so will man u, and spurs wont be able to get in on the same grounds.

Mellor (chelsea fan and mp) was standing up for arsenal on newsnight, saying that they have done nothing wrong.

i can see how this is funny for fans of other clubs tho!



yeah just read that. it seems on the surface pretty legit ie a bigger club buying promising youngsters from a small club whilst compensating them for the devlepment they have made to the player ie eboue. just goes to show how football has its own dark side. does that mean david dein is darth vader.


dunnerz - 2-6-2006 at 12:21

Quote:
Originally posted by thelikelylad

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5040448.stm


as i was saying earlier - if we get kick out the CL, so will man u, and spurs wont be able to get in on the same grounds.

Mellor (chelsea fan and mp) was standing up for arsenal on newsnight, saying that they have done nothing wrong.

i can see how this is funny for fans of other clubs tho!



yeah just read that. it seems on the surface pretty legit ie a bigger club buying promising youngsters from a small club whilst compensating them for the devlepment they have made to the player ie eboue. just goes to show how football has its own dark side. does that mean david dein is darth vader.



the italian scandel is a better example of footballs dark side!


dunnerz - 2-6-2006 at 13:45

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

the main thing that's making this look really bad for arsenal is the attempt to keep it secret, but i sincerely doubt they'll be thrown out of the champions league. shame, it'd be hilarious!


This has taken up too much of my time today - but if we get thrown out, so will chelsea - Dein gave a loan to a bloke who set up a company which invests in beveren - it is on the same, or similar level to roman being a major share holder in that company that sponsers that russian team.

Now, it is very funny how this story comes to light around the same time as Dein's re-election to the FA commitee comes up - funny how some other teams (despite voting him in before) are no longer happy with his position and this hyped up story pop ups.


jazzy - 2-6-2006 at 13:49

dein's a cuntytwattytwat. fact. shame because i like everything else about arsenal and the way they play etc...

[Edited on 2-6-2006 by jazzy]


dunnerz - 2-6-2006 at 13:59

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy

dein's a cuntytwattytwat. fact. shame because i like everything else about arsenal and the way they play etc...

[Edited on 2-6-2006 by jazzy]


If he wasn't associated with arsenal, i'd agree with you. He has done well for the club tho, I don't like him on the FA board as much. (espeically as it gives other teams the excuse to say "you only got away with that because Dein is on the FA, etc. same with fixtures)


Eleanor Conroy - 2-6-2006 at 14:57

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

This has taken up too much of my time today - but if we get thrown out, so will chelsea - Dein gave a loan to a bloke who set up a company which invests in beveren - it is on the same, or similar level to roman being a major share holder in that company that sponsers that russian team.

I'm not convinced that's quite the same thing. From that article it seems as if the reason Dein went about it the way he did was to conceal that fact that arsenal was lending money to the club, especially as they repeatedly denied giving money to them. I think the Abramovic thing was in the open and wasn't he a shareholder in that company before he bought chelsea? I got the impression that someone pointed out it was a conflict of interest later. You can argue he should've realised and done something about it earlier, but like I said, the most dodgy thing with the arsenal situation is the attempt at secrecy.


dunnerz - 2-6-2006 at 15:13

Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Quote:
Originally posted by dunnerz

This has taken up too much of my time today - but if we get thrown out, so will chelsea - Dein gave a loan to a bloke who set up a company which invests in beveren - it is on the same, or similar level to roman being a major share holder in that company that sponsers that russian team.

I'm not convinced that's quite the same thing. From that article it seems as if the reason Dein went about it the way he did was to conceal that fact that arsenal was lending money to the club, especially as they repeatedly denied giving money to them. I think the Abramovic thing was in the open and wasn't he a shareholder in that company before he bought chelsea? I got the impression that someone pointed out it was a conflict of interest later. You can argue he should've realised and done something about it earlier, but like I said, the most dodgy thing with the arsenal situation is the attempt at secrecy.


Yeah, I see what you mean.

Arsenal are well known for keeping thier dealings behind closed doors - for example, unless the other club discolses the amount, we never publish how much a transfere was for etc. I don't know how some of the other teams work, but man u for example (well this was true before the glaziers took over), has to tell everyone about thier dealings due to how its set up with its share holders, etc. Arsenal are not setup like that and do not have to disclose information, hence why it was kept quiet.

It does look dodgy, and although i feel it is blown out of proportion, I don't think that the club have done anything wrong (not just because I support them), but then again, I'm not a lawer!!


dunnerz - 3-6-2006 at 15:44

conicedence!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5042352.stm


Eleanor Conroy - 7-6-2006 at 13:46

Gareth Southgate chosen as new Boro manager

Blimey! You'd think they could do a bit better than someone with no experience at all!


Eleanor Conroy - 7-6-2006 at 14:03

Bloody Lehmann

He might have a point, but he's not allowed to say it! Besides, how many of the current German team were playing the last time they won the World Cup? I'm hoping this stuff is irrelevant


dunnerz - 7-6-2006 at 14:17

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Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Gareth Southgate chosen as new Boro manager

Blimey! You'd think they could do a bit better than someone with no experience at all!


Yeah - that one really confused me as well. Off the top of my head - O'neal, Ranerie are both interested in premiership jobs

Southgate - zero experiance - I surely it would make more sense to have him as head coach/1st team coach/player manager esk role, so he can bascially do everything, but learn everything at the same time, without having the pressure of being the manager.

Wait for the told you so when they go down (well that will jinx a double over arsenal if i've ever heard one!)


dunnerz - 7-6-2006 at 14:19

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Originally posted by Eleanor Conroy

Bloody Lehmann

He might have a point, but he's not allowed to say it! Besides, how many of the current German team were playing the last time they won the World Cup? I'm hoping this stuff is irrelevant



hehee - yeah - for the next month i can go "bloody Lehmann" too!!


clarkogir - 7-6-2006 at 14:30

o'neil already rejected the job though didnt he? to look after his wife


dunnerz - 7-6-2006 at 14:43

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Originally posted by clarkogir

o'neil already rejected the job though didnt he? to look after his wife


okay, but southgate wouldnt really be top of my list.


clarkogir - 7-6-2006 at 14:53

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Originally posted by dunnerz

Quote:
Originally posted by clarkogir

o'neil already rejected the job though didnt he? to look after his wife


okay, but southgate wouldnt really be top of my list.


same here, although i cant see ranieri going there either,


jazzy - 8-6-2006 at 08:57

ranieri is a joke. he fucked valencia up something rotten (took over from benitez and turned them from champions to mid-table in a couple of months) so his stock has fallen since chelsea (where i thought he was quite poor anyway). i mean he was interested in the hearts job for god's sake - shows where he thinks he's at these days. o'neill rejected the job and curbishley wants some time out of football. i can't think of many 'top' managers who are would really want the job. plenty of middling, average managers out there who'd take it but why not take a chance on someone who will keep the club going in a similar direction.

its very much like the way that liverpool used to run themselves in the 70s and 80s - dalglish who won three titles and a couple of fa cups had never managed before taking over but the club knew he knew liverpool inside out and would be the best choice for stablity. same with bob paisley in the 70s - britain's best ever club manager who was promoted from within for stability. this case, while not like liverpool in terms of stature, is similar in terms of the stability aspect.

so southgate's a good choice in my opinion. top clubs should be giving experienced players a chance to manage and southgate knows the club inside out having been there for 7 years or so. there aren't many top english managers around at the moment so it's good to see them take a chance on him. he's clearly a very articulate, intelligent footballer and stands a good chance (hoepfully) of making it as a manager. he's also got two of the best coaches in the country in steve harrison and steve round supporting him and the club's infrastructure is great.

boro are probably the best run football club in the country and their academy is certainly the best. there are about 6 or 7 boro first teamers at the moment who have come from there and a few of them will definitely represent england sometime soon. (if only all clubs were run like them coughchelsea cougharsenal coughliverpool).

that's why i reckon southgate's a good choice.

so, boro for the drop anyone?

[Edited on 8-6-2006 by jazzy]


Mercury Rising - 8-6-2006 at 09:37

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Originally posted by jazzy


boro are probably the best run football club in the country and their academy is certainly the best. there are about 6 or 7 boro first teamers at the moment who have come from there and a few of them will definitely represent england sometime soon. (if only all clubs were run like them coughchelsea cougharsenal coughliverpool).


In McLaren's last game in charge there he played 11 English players, and ten of them had been born within 25 miles of the ground. I'm very pleased at how cosmopolitan modern football is but there's still something so impressive about this.


dunnerz - 8-6-2006 at 10:22

Quote:
Originally posted by jazzy


boro are probably the best run football club in the country and their academy is certainly the best. there are about 6 or 7 boro first teamers at the moment who have come from there and a few of them will definitely represent england sometime soon. (if only all clubs were run like them coughchelsea cougharsenal coughliverpool).

that's why i reckon southgate's a good choice.

so, boro for the drop anyone?

[Edited on 8-6-2006 by jazzy]


i think the jury is out really - but you never know - they obiously know something about him that we all dont!

arsenal acedemy is good (not as good as others admitidly) - but not very good at supporting the english team!


jazzy - 8-6-2006 at 11:28

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Originally posted by dunnerz

arsenal acedemy is good (not as good as others admitidly) - but not very good at supporting the english team!


your academy is good because you go and steal players from other teams. in other countries. hurrah!


jazzy - 8-6-2006 at 11:33

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/5059158.stm

a real shame - he was a great keeper and would have been the number one for england for ages were it not for seaman.


clarkogir - 8-6-2006 at 11:51

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Originally posted by jazzy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/5059158.stm

a real shame - he was a great keeper and would have been the number one for england for ages were it not for seaman.


So who's no.1 for Everrton Tim 'fuckshitpiss' Howard or Richard Wright?

[Edited on 8-6-2006 by clarkogir]