slow riot
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new rave?!
i was gonna post this in that DiS thread, but it has gone and now I am left with a question that is bothering me...
what is this new-rave thing? it get's mentioned in the dis article and I have read lots of other articles mentioning or about it.
I don't understand, none of the bands that are supposedly spearheading this new 'movement' have any of the values or ethos that goes
with the rave territory. is this all a big joke? or is it just trendy to pretend to like rave nowadays.
from what I can work out it is just the latter. in fact it pretty obviously is, it's just standard money shifting procedure... a movement happens
at a unique moment in time where art and technology cross. people start innovating within the shere of the movement. a scene develops. people start
listening. happiness ensues. corperations jump on the bandwagon and exploit the scene for profit. original listeners and innovaters leave, they are
sick of what has become of the scene. it is left to wilt and die, it ihas become a commercial, a joke.
corperations wait about 15 years, then pluck all the marketable elements from the scenes corpse and repackage it, using their stranglehold on the
media to spread the message that 'such and such is back'. people buy it. money is made.
so... new rave eh. what a bloody joke.
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clarkogir
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its alright, quite cool going to klaxons gig etc with all the glowsticks and that going on, i enjoyed it anyways.
I feel that, on the most part, the bands involved in 'new rave' tend to be of an age whereby things such as raves etc were in the news and
media in their youth, and in turn its something thats stuck with them and worked its way into their music. I mean the NME new rave tour pretty much
had only one band (shitdisco) who i would say look back to that early 90's rave scene, datarock certainly dont, and the Klaxons as much as they
go on about MDMA's and all that are really a guitar band with a dance edge, i havent been dancing in the middle of a field with a glowstick, but
i can say that this 'new rave' thing is something ive experienced and thoroughly enjoyed.
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slow riot
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| posted on 30-10-2006 at 16:41 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by clarkogir
its alright, quite cool going to klaxons gig etc with all the glowsticks and that going on, i enjoyed it anyways.
I feel that, on the most part, the bands involved in 'new rave' tend to be of an age whereby things such as raves etc were in the news and
media in their youth, and in turn its something thats stuck with them and worked its way into their music. I mean the NME new rave tour pretty much
had only one band (shitdisco) who i would say look back to that early 90's rave scene, datarock certainly dont, and the Klaxons as much as they
go on about MDMA's and all that are really a guitar band with a dance edge, i havent been dancing in the middle of a field with a glowstick, but
i can say that this 'new rave' thing is something ive experienced and thoroughly enjoyed.
[Edited on 30-10-2006 by clarkogir] |
maybe it's just the nme trying to make something out of nothing. and of course they need to cover their bases in case it turns into something
bigger, so they can say 'we told you so', and if it dies on it's arse they can be the first to kick it when it's down.
and as much as the idea of glowsticks at an indie gig is laughable, there is no harm in it. and if people are having fun, then people are having fun
which is all that matters really.
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Dr. Rob
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| posted on 30-10-2006 at 16:52 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by slow riot
i was gonna post this in that DiS thread, but it has gone and now I am left with a question that is bothering me...
what is this new-rave thing? it get's mentioned in the dis article and I have read lots of other articles mentioning or about it.
I don't understand, none of the bands that are supposedly spearheading this new 'movement' have any of the values or ethos that goes
with the rave territory. is this all a big joke? or is it just trendy to pretend to like rave nowadays.
from what I can work out it is just the latter. in fact it pretty obviously is, it's just standard money shifting procedure... a movement happens
at a unique moment in time where art and technology cross. people start innovating within the shere of the movement. a scene develops. people start
listening. happiness ensues. corperations jump on the bandwagon and exploit the scene for profit. original listeners and innovaters leave, they are
sick of what has become of the scene. it is left to wilt and die, it ihas become a commercial, a joke.
corperations wait about 15 years, then pluck all the marketable elements from the scenes corpse and repackage it, using their stranglehold on the
media to spread the message that 'such and such is back'. people buy it. money is made.
so... new rave eh. what a bloody joke. |
At least hopefully they've got their filthy mitts off garage rock now.
get drunk and have some fun
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if_only_ralph_were_real
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Guide to how New Rave started
1. A little band called Klaxons made some songs. Those songs sounded a little bit dancy.
2. People went 'ooh'.
3. The NME went 'ooh' and invented a scene. It was called New Rave. It was good. Teenagers bought glow sticks and ecstasy was cool again.
4. The NME labelled other bands 'New Rave'. They weren't.
The End!
I quite like the music, but it isn't really Rave at all.
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RadioEd
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| posted on 30-10-2006 at 17:46 |
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it's all about fashion. it'll always be trendy to drop references to niche scenes of old (underground = kudos, remember). nobody targeted by
the latest nme fad is old enough to remember the rave explosion the first time round, let alone the second (granted, they came in fairly quick
succession!).
this means that, now devoid of any of the original cultural attributes, new values have been created in their image, albeit in a very quaint
don't-worry-mum-we'll-be-home-before-midnight kind of way, resulting in a frightful pastiche of the original scene.
any brand, whether it be new-rave, hip-hop, uk garage or whatever is driven by the people who see a quick buck in it these days, and to think anything
otherwise is ignorant to the point of idiocy.
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Maverick
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| posted on 30-10-2006 at 18:01 |
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just another invented genre. convenient tags sell records. still, we all love a good excuse to get on it!
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Matt Paradise
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Klaxons came up with the term 'new rave'. Apparently they wanted to create a scene that would be even more short-lived than electroclash,
and they fed the NME the standard bullshit it would take for them to market the term. Quite clever really.
I often go to sleep with pyjama bottoms, socks and a t-shirt on. When I awake I am naked. This is a popular phenomenon, known in scientific circles as
theft. My family members steal my clothes in the night and sell them down the market. I often walk to work and see kids wearing the clothes that only
the night before I was sleeping in. It is a disturbing development.
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jesus
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| posted on 30-10-2006 at 20:13 |
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What happened to that DiS thread?
I would like to see the skyline and city lights of New York or Tokyo and then come back to the green fields we know and do nothing, and sleep, and do
that again and again...
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Carl
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| posted on 30-10-2006 at 20:48 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Matt
Paradise
Klaxons came up with the term 'new rave'. Apparently they wanted to create a scene that would be even more short-lived than electroclash,
and they fed the NME the standard bullshit it would take for them to market the term. Quite clever really. |
Good for them! But surely speed garage was even shorter-lived than electroclash. I remember it going on for about 3 months.
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Simon Dyson
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| posted on 30-10-2006 at 20:49 |
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When will the NME coin a genre that doesn't start with 'new'?
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i am sam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Simon
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When will the NME coin a genre that doesn't start with 'new'? |
last time they tried that was surely 'sports metal'. melody maker went with 'nu-metal'. we all know who won that one.
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Simon Dyson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by i am sam
| Quote: | Originally posted by Simon
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When will the NME coin a genre that doesn't start with 'new'? |
last time they tried that was surely 'sports metal'. melody maker went with 'nu-metal'. we all know who won that one.
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Well that would be the NME... Melody Maker shut up shop about 6 month after that I think 
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sports rave. now that's a genre surely waiting to happen...
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Vive Le Rock
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jazzy
sports rave. now that's a genre surely waiting to happen... |
It's only a matter of time before thats said about Datarock, cos they, like, wear tracksuits and stuff. You should save this thread for when the
NME invents sports rave and sue the muthas! Or not.
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thelikelylad
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theyve been labelling the knife as 'the dark side of new rave'. the nme that is. but then the article totally contradict itself cos they
then went on about they hated the way in which jose gonzales' heartbeats was used for the sony advert.
''bastard banshee,
how thou at me,
the kings and queens of the clubs,
evolved from pubs,
and too much broken heart love
singing of the blues in a locked up bedroom
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new rave
new rave never existed..it was a pretending.. it was a boom box..it wasn't relevant. it was. it's not anymore. NEW RAVE R.I.P. thanks god/
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| Quote: | Originally posted by
if_only_ralph_were_real
Guide to how New Rave started
1. A little band called Klaxons made some songs. Those songs sounded a little bit dancy.
2. People went 'ooh'.
3. The NME went 'ooh' and invented a scene. It was called New Rave. It was good. Teenagers bought glow sticks and ecstasy was cool again.
4. The NME labelled other bands 'New Rave'. They weren't.
The End!
I quite like the music, but it isn't really Rave at all. |
exactly right! it's all nme, they coined th silly term new rave, and it is silly.
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Matt Paradise
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The knife are RUBBISH
I often go to sleep with pyjama bottoms, socks and a t-shirt on. When I awake I am naked. This is a popular phenomenon, known in scientific circles as
theft. My family members steal my clothes in the night and sell them down the market. I often walk to work and see kids wearing the clothes that only
the night before I was sleeping in. It is a disturbing development.
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Dunk
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Matt
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The knife are RUBBISH |
Wash your mouth out!!!
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